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Offline The Rev Peter Sarkey

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Re: Will vote for
« Reply #15 on: October 12, 2008, 03:48:14 AM »
Jeremy is the one who can think on his feet and come back with a good reply.


No wonder with mum doing all the research beforehand!!
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Re: Will vote for
« Reply #16 on: October 12, 2008, 04:05:03 AM »
Yes of course - Jeremy has a whole load of people researching and looking for information on all sorts of things, like most of the other candidates I should imagine. Do you think any of the candidates would be able to answer all the questions put to them without support and research that has been done by other people? This is why the greens are so knowledgeable, they have a "think tank" that provides them with information and it's excellent. This is sound commonsense - no one person has the time to do all the research necessary over such a wide variety of subjects. This doesn't mean a candidate doesn't have his / her own point of view or is reflecting the opinion of the researcher, just that they are better prepared to make sensible, well researched comments.

Do you think the establishment candidates do their own research or even write their own speeches?

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« Reply #17 on: October 12, 2008, 05:11:50 AM »
Nellie- it was a little levity at the fact that Dear J has mum doing research on stuff and for the last 21 years or so has had to "think on his feet" - He knows well that he would have to come up with a quick answer if Ma is so well informed. Nevertheless, It also happens to be something I admire as I have 3 sons and they are damned quick - (too damned quick for me) so life is a roll of laughter with a very serious undertone. I hope Jeremy does well, I just think that his answers need a little more substance and a little less wadding. I do not think that candidates necessarily think out their answers, with the exception of Mark Duvall Forskitt whom I am warming to fast as not only informed but also with a good sense of humour.
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« Reply #18 on: October 12, 2008, 05:19:25 AM »
Yes of course - Jeremy has a whole load of people researching and looking for information on all sorts of things, like most of the other candidates I should imagine. Do you think any of the candidates would be able to answer all the questions put to them without support and research that has been done by other people? This is why the greens are so knowledgeable, they have a "think tank" that provides them with information and it's excellent. This is sound commonsense - no one person has the time to do all the research necessary over such a wide variety of subjects. This doesn't mean a candidate doesn't have his / her own point of view or is reflecting the opinion of the researcher, just that they are better prepared to make sensible, well researched comments.

Do you think the establishment candidates do their own research or even write their own speeches?

I was under the impression that candidates were doing their own research. Just what part of his manifesto is all his own work? Who wrote his speeches? Who will write his speeches in the States Assembly? - Lobby groups, civil servants, people living their unrealised dreams through their progeny?

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« Reply #19 on: October 12, 2008, 05:36:28 AM »
Good point Jez, I'm glad someone got there! Maybe J could employ Mum as a spin doctor?
"...We the electorate want to know what Mrs Macon is going to do about ---xyz--- Jeremy, could you tell us please?.."

or During a Sates assembly ---

" 'scuse me I just need to call my mum on my cell - won't be a min -- Hi Mumsey, do you think I should vote for this new incinerator, Frank can't tell and Tel's not being Frank........"

Groan!

Sorry this just doesn't float my boat.
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« Reply #20 on: October 12, 2008, 05:57:56 AM »
What's the difference between a candidate using his family and friends for research etc and some of the candidates using business and finance people who have a vested interest.


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« Reply #21 on: October 12, 2008, 06:17:19 AM »
Probably about 60k per annum?
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« Reply #22 on: October 12, 2008, 08:09:56 AM »
Why don't you rephrase your questions with "Dear Establishment candidates, which points from the new candidates' speeches has Mr Rankine stolen for your speeches tomorrow?"

If you really believe that all candidates do all their own research then you're not living in the real world. It takes far too long to thoroughly research a subject with pro and con answers for any one person to do it on their own. Even personal opinions are tempered through discussion with all sorts of people and life experiences - if you're 50 how do you know what is affecting a pensioner or a teenager - you talk to them of course and ask them how these things will / have affected them - does this mean you can't make up your own mind about things or make your own decisons - of course not, it's just using your commonsense and doing research. Surely before you make a decision which concerns someone else you have a discussion with them? This is democracy on a small scale but doesn't mean you're not fit to make your own decisions about other things.


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« Reply #23 on: October 12, 2008, 08:13:00 AM »
Why don't you rephrase your questions with "Dear Establishment candidates, which points from the new candidates' speeches has Mr Rankine stolen for your speeches tomorrow?"

If you really believe that all candidates do all their own research then you're not living in the real world. It takes far too long to thoroughly research a subject with pro and con answers for any one person to do it on their own. Even personal opinions are tempered through discussion with all sorts of people and life experiences - if you're 50 how do you know what is affecting a pensioner or a teenager - you talk to them of course and ask them how these things will / have affected them - does this mean you can't make up your own mind about things or make your own decisons - of course not, it's just using your commonsense and doing research. Surely before you make a decision which concerns someone else you have a discussion with them? This is democracy on a small scale but doesn't mean you're not fit to make your own decisions about other things.



Which is why I make the decision to give the answers I do.
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« Reply #24 on: October 12, 2008, 10:34:22 AM »
I'm still considering standing for Deputy if Jeremy gets in as a Senator but really I'm not a great speaker

To be a great speaker is not necessary, but to be your own woman is important
We have had enough of spin, lies and claptrap from bully Walker & Co and therefore someone who speaks straight, to the poing and from the heart will be forgiven by the public for not being such a good speaker
Weigh up your priorities and perhaps you decide to go for it. From your posts here I think you could be a breath of fresh air

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« Reply #25 on: October 12, 2008, 11:11:33 AM »
It all depends what you call research.  It is a combination of book and journal work and also asking people who know.  Certainly the only stupid question is the one which you don't ask. 

However I find a combination of experience and knowledge and a lot of digging and questioning works wonders - that's how I had to do it on both university courses.  In fact at Columbia they insisted we worked together in teams of about 5 people.  It encourages team work and synergy    But in the end your speech must be your own otherwise you are just someone else's mouth piece. 


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« Reply #26 on: October 12, 2008, 11:19:58 AM »
I know others who went to Columbia and felt the same.
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Re: Will vote for
« Reply #27 on: October 12, 2008, 12:29:56 PM »
I,m going to vote for ,"Jeremy,s Mum (and chums)". ;D ;D ;D

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Re: Will vote for
« Reply #28 on: October 12, 2008, 12:44:06 PM »
Do you think any of the candidates would be able to answer all the questions put to them without support and research that has been done by other people? This is why the greens are so knowledgeable, they have a "think tank" that provides them with information and it's excellent.

What's this we sh*t, paleface?  ;D I've got no think tank or researchers! It just about all comes out of my own head. I write my speeches long-hand while on my lunch break at work (15 minutes free after scoffing my lunch) then type it up and edit and time it during the 2 hours exactly I have after work to get washed, changed, fed, watered and dressed up and up to the Parish hall. My wife helps by printing extra leaflets and criticising. Mark and Daniel and I sometimes talk briefly about what we're going to do, so we don't crossover too much, but that's about it. Our existing knowledge is such that, if elected, we would be more than a match for the civil service
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Re: Will vote for
« Reply #29 on: October 12, 2008, 12:47:09 PM »
repeat post, sorry
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