Bridge

[moot]

Ya callin me a Liar?

In for a penny in for a pound

[Xenth]

While i think a bridge to France would be fantastic, i cannot ever see it becoming a reality.

I would say there would be a strain on customs as they cannot cope now with GST let alone Pierre and friends idling in to Jersey to potter about. Also there is the case that Frank and the boys would lose a lot of money with people going to French hypermarkets to do there shop in stead of the high jacked prices of Jersey.

And as stated there would be the obvious fall of house prices, so we can conclude that this would never happen, it isn't about how much it would cost, as we know that if it was beneficial to the states members on a personal level then it would be built irrespective of peoples thoughts.

Jersey is a closed society and that the way our government like it, so they can turn the screw as much as they like.

[The Rev Peter Sarkey]

In for a penny in for a pound

Well put, the point of the math being out shows how rediculous it is. do the same calculation backwards using CORRECT numbers, eg start with a reasonable assumptive on the number of cars and you get a similar result!

[Nick Palmer]

Well put, the point of the math being out shows how rediculous it is. do the same calculation backwards using CORRECT numbers, eg start with a reasonable assumptive on the number of cars and you get a similar result!

If you look at building a bridge to France then the numbers say it would be very,very expensive, although I think it would have very good effects on Jersey's economy.

If you look at building multiple tidal generators in a row with Wind turbines on top, which would be a strict business proposition, not to mention an environmental essential, then the bridge/causeway to France could be thrown in practically as a freebie bonus. I am grateful to, I think, David Rotheram on PJ for pointing out that wave generators either side would also protect the structure from strong waves - another "two birds with one stone" aspect.

[The Rev Peter Sarkey]

If you look at building a bridge to France then the numbers say it would be very,very expensive, although I think it would have very good effects on Jersey's economy.

If you look at building multiple tidal generators in a row with Wind turbines on top, which would be a strict business proposition, not to mention an environmental essential, then the bridge/causeway to France could be thrown in practically as a freebie bonus. I am grateful to, I think, David Rotheram on PJ for pointing out that wave generators either side would also protect the structure from strong waves - another "two birds with one stone" aspect.

What about the environmental impact of what you are purporting Nick?? Doesn't this go against the grain? How about the use of mass concrete? What about the cultural impact. Those of us who don't will be talking French before you know it. The Norway bridge works because it joins two largely populated areas together. What is the incentive to connect France with Jersey? When it is built ( assuming) will there be a requirement to join Guernsey? Do you want us to look like the florida keys?

[newmac]

Do you want us to look like the florida keys?

Yes if we can have the same climate

[The Rev Peter Sarkey]

Well I suppose we've got the rednecks haven't we?

[rogueelement]

Ok, ideas for the bridge ;lets face it , it will be a very long term project so cost per annum is more important than final cost.It,s about time we did something for the future instead of being so selfish. We are lucky that the Victorians actually created so much infrastructure , what have we done lately? oooops , er forgot about the Radisson , whooopeefreakindoo.
1 Its where we get to dump all of our waste , toxic or not , the sea don,t care.Should only take about 50 years at our current rate of waste production.
2 deep water harbour alongside so that big ships can offload passengers, fabulous boon to the tourism industry.
3 New Airport in conjunction with bridge .Hopefully not in the spot where it always seem to be the foggiest , ie the current position.
4. An opportunity to invest in LHD cars just prior to the switch to the right side of the road.
5 Tidal Power !! free electrickery!
6 You could almost certainly guarantee the French meeting us half way , just before they retreated .

So wheres the downside?

[newmac]

I think it'll be great, just think of the traffic jams going half way across the bridge as people try to get into the Island

The roads over here can't cope as it is with the traffic.

[Razzard]

So let me get this straight. We have the Bailiff on the one hand pushing for indepence whilst on the other we are going to look into the feasibility of phyically connecting ourselves to mainland france. Joined up government anyone?

[stoofa]

The concept of a bridge as a stand alone is a joke economically and practically. I suggest the feasibility analysis could be done by one of the local primary schools in maths class, which would be both educational and a good cost cutting exercise.

The tidal power concept is a different thing though.

You can even take a trip to see an existing mini version (albeit not directly comparable) not a million miles away :-)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rance_tidal_power_plant

A quick bit of seearching turns up loads of literature out there on various (at a glance) comparable propositions as well. I'm sure Nick and his green colleagues can fill us in more on the specifics and the viability of the concept as it pertains to our local environment - I for one would be very interested to hear more about this.

I would fully support the tidal power concept if its viable the numbers work out acceptably (bridge not required). Jersey is potentially in a position to take a lead on something really forward looking here - would be nice to the island doing something of that nature.

[Razzard]

I would fully support the tidal power concept if its viable the numbers work out acceptably (bridge not required). Jersey is potentially in a position to take a lead on something really forward looking here - would be nice to the island doing something of that nature.

I agree with that 100%. Jersey could actually be a world leader for its enegry and environmental policies (that's not the made up version of world famous / leading the world / envy of the world / world beating / best in the world stuff that we get told about by Frank Walker through the media either) given that we have such amazing natural assests and the ability to manage a small area with enclosed borders.

But what chance of success? I voted for each of the green candidiates at the Senatorials as I wanted to see the States start to implement a proper re-cycling scheme and also re-visit the incinerator issue. The rest, as they say, is history.

I'm not being defeatist and I would like to see all three stand again in the Deputies elections but I don't think the public have the appetite for environmental politics yet and hence there will be no real pressure on the COM to go fully green any time soon.

[The Rev Peter Sarkey]

Love the idea, but Big Dave R is right - it will never happen so why waste time and money on it?

[stoofa]

Love the idea, but Big Dave R is right - it will never happen so why waste time and money on it?

I dunno. A pilot wave power project is something that could be proposed, built and assessed with a (relatively) reasonable budget. Get away from this idea that a 1.5 billion quid bridge has to be part of the equation and it looks a little more sensible.

Taken in moderation the greens have some good ideas in my opinion (even if I don't agree with Nick's economic stance :-) ), and it would be nice to seem some of these further up he agenda. Even if they aren't sitting in the states, i'm sure not all of the states members are totally against such notions, and a bit of lobbying never did any harm...

[The Rev Peter Sarkey]

If big Trev gets in the lobbying will have to be called cottaging!