Nellie Macon

[Shiva]

Actually, those comments were not aimed at Nellie but I will let you draw your own conclusions since Mod 4's definitions of a "personal attack" seem to be subject to a degree of "Kentucky windage" depending on the topic.
Yes, sometimes some of the comments may appear childish especially if they are taken literally but mocking and ridiculing our totally inept politicians must surely be better than taking to the streets and lynching them as would happen in some countries. (or is it??)
Anyone who takes Jersey politics seriously at this stage of the game must be insane! our laws and legal system are feudal to the point where we can't even introduce basic human rights without re-writing most of it. The Jurat system means we have trial by pantomime whereby the Judge and two other people in frocks decide who is guilty or not guilty. In the Royal Court, well, enough has been said about that already. In Government we have policies made and driven through the House by the Council of Ministers (or the Politburo as they used to be known in the USSR) who are themselves selected from elected States members with the collective I.Q. of a slightly retarded Amoeba. Couple all of this with the world recession, job losses, inflation, deflation or stagflation depending on which day of the week it is and a government that can't spend the money remaining in the kitty fast enough. You tell me, what is there not to laugh about in this Island?

[rogueelement]

Well Nellie , that is really nice of you to extend the hand of friendship to someone who believes that the Island is being run by the Knights of St Columbus, or the Masons  or the Royal order of Antediluvian buffaloes , but I secretly suspect , and maybe I am just being paranoid , that Gee Gee is in fact one of your "guys".
Hopefully you will be able to explain to her that the Island is , far from her beliefs as being run by a secret society with some sort of goal in mind, being run by a a bunch of nondescript , ego maniacs with too much time on their hands and not a clue as to what to do next except sit on their thumbs and hope it all goes away!
I really think our future lies in having 22 year old people with no preconceived notions, apart from what uncle Geoff tells them as to how many beans make 5. well , er , actually not!

[Shiva]

well said Spartacus!

I agree, it looks like Gee Gee is just along for the ride.

[GeeGee]

No I am not 'along for the ride', nor do I know Mrs Macon, but I would very much like to meet her, as she talks a lot of sense.

Why don't you Giddyoff because your personal attacks on Mrs Macon and her son just point to the childish and inane people you are and I can see it is still continuing on another thread, or is it the fact that you know you are dealing with the superior sex that obviously rubs you up the wrong way. Like all strong women I'm sure Mrs M will treat your comments about her son with the contempt they deserve.

Stop the childishness, and contribute something positive, and, if you want to laugh at the concept of Freemasonry and its power in justice/government I suggest you read "The Brotherhood". I may well be clutching at straws, but as a GeeGee that is something I would do, but allow me my thoughts as I allow you yours with sarcasm (which is the lowest form of wit don't you know).

Hope we meet one day Mrs Macon and good luck on his journey to your son.

[danrok]

How about keeping my thread "Deputy Southern admits breaking electoral law" on topic?

Jeremy Macon has an entire topic of his own on the forum.  So, feel free to discuss him there.

[Shiva]

Agreed.

just responding to Gee Gee who seems to have the bit between her teeth on the subject of Nellie and Jeremy.

as I have already said, Southern and Pitman should have been suspended the minute these allegations became public. Having admitted the offenses, they should now forfeit their seats in the House. Whatever sentence they receive is largely immaterial, the main issue is that they have acted dishonestly and cannot be relied upon to represent the public interest.

[King Rollo]

A sensible suggestion Danrok.  One small point, the treatment of Nellie Macon on this site, despite one's political stand point has been awful.

Just for the record chaps, two of the political giants of the 20th century both freely admitted to consulting their Mother's about matters of state. Sir Winston Churchill and John Fitzgerald Kennedy, as did our current Queen and her Mother before her. Now nobody is suggesting that Jeremy will fall into a "Bay of Pigs" or find his "Dardanelles" but then Winston Churchill was not the 'establishment' figure he has since been lionised as. As for the constant attacks on anything considered 'liberal' by certain multi named individuals - to quote his political biography.

It was during 1908 that the team of Churchill and Lloyd George guided through the House of Commons an unprecedented program of liberal legislation which included unemployment compensation, health insurance and pensions for the aged and all of these benefits would be financed by taxes on the rich and the landed gentry. Churchill denounced the aristocracy in speeches and many of his titled relations stopped speaking to him.

Admin move this if you so wish to another thread.

[Shiva]

A sensible suggestion Danrok.  One small point, the treatment of Nellie Macon on this site, despite one's political stand point has been awful.

Just for the record chaps, two of the political giants of the 20th century both freely admitted to consulting their Mother's about matters of state. Sir Winston Churchill and John Fitzgerald Kennedy, as did our current Queen and her Mother before her. Now nobody is suggesting that Jeremy will fall into a "Bay of Pigs" or find his "Dardanelles" but then Winston Churchill was not the 'establishment' figure he has since been lionised as. As for the constant attacks on anything considered 'liberal' by certain multi named individuals - to quote his political biography.

It was during 1908 that the team of Churchill and Lloyd George guided through the House of Commons an unprecedented program of liberal legislation which included unemployment compensation, health insurance and pensions for the aged and all of these benefits would be financed by taxes on the rich and the landed gentry. Churchill denounced the aristocracy in speeches and many of his titled relations stopped speaking to him.

Your point being?
Admin move this if you so wish to another thread.

[King Rollo]

Point being

1. Nellie Macon treated badly.
2. Assistance from mother in politics is not such a bad thing (see previous trolling)
3. Trolling on liberal politics is tiresome, no alternative offered except status quo.
4. Multi ip adressed trolls not as clever as they think, same grammer, spelling etc.
5. Treatment of Stuart minutes ago reinforces points 1, 3, & 4.
6. Treatment of Gee-Gee reinforces all of above.
7. Political debate or boredom at work?

[King Rollo]

May I add, Mr. Shiva the above is not aimed at any one person in particular, your good self included of course!

[Shiva]

Point being

1. Nellie Macon treated badly.
2. Assistance from mother in politics is not such a bad thing (see previous trolling)
3. Trolling on liberal politics is tiresome, no alternative offered except status quo.
4. Multi ip adressed trolls not as clever as they think, same grammer, spelling etc.
5. Treatment of Stuart minutes ago reinforces points 1, 3, & 4.
6. Treatment of Gee-Gee reinforces all of above.
7. Political debate or boredom at work?

1. Nellie Macon big girl and put herself into the debate

2. We didn't elect the mother

3. Definitely not a liberal

4. Only got one I.P. and user name - not my fault I went to a good school.

5. Stuart also a grown up and entered the debate of his own free will

6. Ditto

7. Political Interest - what's your excuse?

[King Rollo]

1. Nellie Macon big girl and put herself into the debate - questionable

2. We didn't elect the mother - but surely she has the right to assist her son, in a democracy?

3. Definitely not a liberal - neither am I, my robes are red and wig is grey!

4. Only got one I.P. and user name - not my fault I went to a good school - ditto in Rutlandshire.

5. Stuart also a grown up and entered the debate of his own free will - agreed, but again the 'debate' word!

6. Should debate include personal attacks? (add Harper, Syvret, Power, Walker, Bailiff et al)

7. Political Interest - what's your excuse? - Channel Island born & legal, when I dust down the ermine!
 
 

[GeeGee]

just responding to Gee Gee who seems to have the bit between her teeth on the subject of Nellie and Jeremy.

as I have already said, Southern and Pitman should have been suspended the minute these allegations became public. Having admitted the offenses, they should now forfeit their seats in the House. Whatever sentence they receive is largely immaterial, the main issue is that they have acted dishonestly and cannot be relied upon to represent the public interest. 
 
 
So.......you are happy with Senator Le Main representing ther public then?

Horses for courses and all that!

No I do not have the bit between my teeth, that would be too restricting. I am running free in my field.

[Shiva]

No, I think he should have been prosecuted too. As should any politician who breaks the law. The power of the A.G. to set aside prosecutions that he, or his brother, determine might not be "in the best interests of the Island" is nothing more than a free pass to those with the right influence and connections.

[rogueelement]

Reviewing this post , I can see you Shiva are in fact the oracle ! how did you know that matters beyong the petty larceny of the JDA were upon us?