A tale of Spartacus, verbal abuse and Solomon

[danrok]

I'll put this out in the open for all members of this community to read, and respond to.  Better out than in, as they say.

I can't help but notice that Spartacus (formerly known as Rogue Element) has been hurling verbal abuse to many members on this forum, including myself.  This has become especially bad in recent days, coinciding with a new moderator on the block, namely Solomon.

Solomon has also claimed that he knows Spartacus personally.  Perhaps, this is why the site owner and other moderators choose to ignore his persistent attacks on other members?

Is this situation going to continue, or is anyone going to take responsibility?

It would be a shame for this forum to nose dive, after all the effort put in by Adrian, and the contributions made by members.

[Pomme de terre]

Hi Danrok,

Whilst things have seemed a little tense in recent days (and I must admit to only having scan-read some of the posts) I'm not sure I have seen any real abuse, other than people being called "disciples of Syvret" or whatever. And I'm not entirely sure that could be classed as a negative characteristic, either.

Personally, I always look forward to your succint ripostes. You hold your own with ease, more of the same please.

PdeT

[danrok]

PdeT,

I've read posts which are rife with nothing but swearing directed at other members, just for the sake of it.  Some may have been deleted by now, but...

Post #29 here for example is abuse directed at a new member:
http://planetjersey.co.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1790.msg27780#msg27780

I'm thick skinned, and have seen it all before, etc. but, I don't like to see new people crapped on before they've even got their coat off.  The community won't grow and flourish if that happens.

[Pomme de terre]

I did think that one was harsh on White Knight. As far as I'm concerned, White Knight has signed up, had a poke around, seen a few old threads of interest and had a reply. One of them was to me, but the thread got locked before I could reply to him! FWIW, I quite like resuming and revisiting old conversations months down the line, it's healthy to look back and see if one's views are still the same.

So, yes, I take your point. Some new members may have had an unpleasant welcome.

[iruka]

I did think that one was harsh on White Knight. As far as I'm concerned, White Knight has signed up, had a poke around, seen a few old threads of interest and had a reply. One of them was to me, but the thread got locked before I could reply to him! FWIW, I quite like resuming and revisiting old conversations months down the line, it's healthy to look back and see if one's views are still the same.

So, yes, I take your point. Some new members may have had an unpleasant welcome.

He has certainly been sharp and cutting, but also (IMHO) makes some good points in a coherent and articulate way. I have not noticed any swearing, and certainly nothing worse that we have seen before in these fora.

[en830]

Something familiar creeping back into the moderation, I wonder !?!?!?!?!

[Durendal]

If the members are worried by a few barbed comments how on earth do they think the nurse at the centre of the latest SSS expose feels?

His name has been dragged into the public domain and he may well be innocent.

I have it on good authority from a member of the SOJ that he is at his wits end.

Some of you seem to rejoice at this.

To paraphrase Christ.

"You hypocrites you can see the mote in your neighbour's eye but cannot see the plank in your own"

[rogueelement]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh  dear,
Really Danrok , It is a bit rich for you to accuse me of being verbally abusive, are you sure you are not a Syvret mini-me?
I am "nothing but a little troublemaker" hey maybe i,m the mini-me!
As to swearing , I do not believe that "shite" is the most offensive term in my repertoire, nor yours I suspect.
With regard to the new members you mention, I simply formed the opinion that they were deliberately trying to sabotage the site by their perpetual "Trolling".Every time anybody says anything , they dive in with a diversionary , Peter Sellars type, ( the grass will grow , in the spring, Autumn will see the leaves fall) totally at odds with any thread or continuity.
.Maybe I am wrong , but I have seen the Snail make postings showing that he/she is not actually as daft as he/she  makes out. 
Maybe I am just paranoid, but tonight I shall take a hammer with me to my bedroom.

[Ashley]

A little continuity wouldn't go a miss.  I had a post removed and was warned for joking that everyone on PJ were 'paranoid weirdoes'. 

Hardly assult of the week but I thought it was fair enough if they did.   Standards seemed to have dropped.

[boatyboy]

Pomme I agree regarding old threads for three reasons.

Regularly you will see high figures of non members and members, I suggest they are reading some of the well informed threads that were started a while back. Nick Palmers detailed debate on climate change is full of deep information as an example.At these times posting is minimal reading old threads is high.

Second.

If a new issue is given a new thread every time rather than filed under a senators name or an old thread that is relevant then the site gets even more messy, it can be difficult being so full of info. now. The search facility is not that good.

Moderators are supposed to keep simple rules stop personal abusive attacks, which cause bad feeling and starts a bonfire effect. What does it matter if an old thread is used anyway.

Soloman and Sparticus are good friends, it would be better to put planet Jersey first than to work as a team to have a laugh, and bring the standard which was growing steadly down.

Just my opinion

Boatyboy.

[ole razzy]

What does Solomon say about all this?

[Solomon]

Gentlemen,

You all know the rules. If you have issues with moderators communicate them via PM. You are all making certain assumptions here that are unfounded and incorrect. All of you are treated equally and have been given the same degree of lattitude to express your opinions. So far, I have not had to block anyone's account and I would like to keep it that way.

This site is about grown ups debating issues. As in any debate, points are won and points are lost. A few of you seem to think that quantity of postings equates to quality of opinion - this is not the case. If you want to enter into a debate, you must expect that not everyone will agree with you and that there will be people out there who are better than you at making their point. Any threads relating to Stuart Syvret will always spark an emotional response from certain people simply because, like Marmite, you either love him or hate him, there is no middle ground. In my view, both sides of that camp have the right to express their views and PJ will not be allowed to be hijacked by one side or the other!

This thread has little or no value, however, I will let it run for another 24 hours so you can all get it out of your system before locking it.

[rogueelement]

“Quis custodiet ipsos custodes?” (“Who watches the watchmen?”)

Thank you for that Solomon, and the point is taken, Although I do love Marmite , I find myself constantly at odds with the Syvretite tendency in here.The way that everything SSS says is taken as gospel and anyone who questions his word is a heretic to have scorn and abuse put upon him.I deal in facts, not conjecture, some of this lot think conjecture is the "truth" and have an unquestioning faith in everything said by the anointed one.That in itself is deeply perturbing.
I have also noted in my travels through blogs that "Hero" members tend to dislike upstarts who disagree with their point of view.
I will admit I am volatile and have apologized previously for going over the top, But I do not Swear as accused by deadroc,I may add a few stars in place of swearing , but there you go.
I have  continually said that I quite like the bloke, SSS and admire his intellect but do not approve of his current actions , or his previous naming and shaming. The problem is , that if you are not 100% for him , you are apparently 100% against him which is ludicrous.
My new Posting last night , asking for information regarding crimes committed by anyone in the States, past or present had zero response,I wonder why. Possibly because attention was again deflected from a possibly contentious issue by a member ,using standard chat room smoke and mirrors , lets have a row and the thread goes away.Danroc , even going so far as to insinuate another poster was excusing pedophilia.No wonder I lose my temper!
I reported that particular remark to the Mods. So yes mini-me in action.
Say what you like guys and I will say what I like , just do not expect me to embrace your beliefs as I do not expect you to embrace any of mine.
Sites like these are starting grids for argument and  discussion.  Sometimes  reason prevails, sometimes not
.If you do not like argument , you are in the wrong place,if you cannot stand the heat , get out of the kitchen.
 In so far as I am aware , freedom of speech rules apply here so lets get on with putting forward our opinions and feel free to shoot mine down if you disagree as I will surely jump all over your opinions if I disagree with them.

[danrok]

Danroc , even going so far as to insinuate another poster was excusing pedophilia.No wonder I lose my temper!
I reported that particular remark to the Mods. So yes mini-me in action.

Complete nonsense.  King Rollo suggested that people in high places, with money, etc. seem to escape the long arm of the law, I agreed by quoting a typical excuse "he was only researching child porn", as used by Pete Townsend of The Who, and a few others I'm sure.

I've never had any kind of disagreement with King Rollo.

Perhaps you should have asked me to clarify what I meant, before losing your temper?

Also, it's not your job to demand that others apologise, especially when it has nothing to do with you, and you had completely misunderstood what was being said.

[ole razzy]

This thread has little or no value, however, I will let it run for another 24 hours so you can all get it out of your system before locking it.

No surely not! This thread is exactly what PJ needs at the moment. A bit of forum banter is good for the soul. I can just picture old Spartacus spitting his mid morning G&T when he read Danrok's last post. Keep it up fella's. If we throw Rico into mix for good measure and it could be 5.30 before we know it.