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Offline Jersey Spud

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Peace Studies
« on: April 03, 2009, 02:32:55 PM »
I was told that Shona recently sent an open email to all States employees claiming that she knew considerably more about human rights than the States legal advisers, because "by chance" she had a diploma in peace studies.

Anyone know if this is true? 


(And whether she really did get the diploma by chance? :D  ;D)

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2009, 03:02:40 PM »
I think she is taking the peace a bit too far.

Offline Dundee

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2009, 03:29:23 PM »
I think she is taking the peace a bit too far.

Your taking the piece out of context

Offline Malachi

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2009, 03:58:16 PM »
It's possible that she may know more about European Human Rights law than some of the States' legal bods, but it's unlikely (then again, this is Jersey after all...).

I often play devil's advocate for Pitman, Southern & co. (in the interests of fairness/because the 'establishment' are often full of it), but they played this one badly; breaking any law (no matter how daft said law might be) is always going to make you more enemies than friends.

(btw, Peace Studies is a just a fancy name for or a sub-topic in what is usually called "International Relations" [possibly to get people's minds off "War Studies"!], and a diploma in it isn't much to shout about [it's only a diploma]).

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2009, 04:06:02 PM »
 :D  i was more interested to know if its true she wrote the email.

and a diploma in it isn't much to shout about [it's only a diploma]).

... exactly why I wanted to know whether its true that she felt the need to broadcast the fact.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2009, 04:07:47 PM by Jersey Spud »

Offline ole razzy

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2009, 04:47:42 PM »
She has a masters in the subject. 
Pimp the States Chamber.

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2009, 12:28:53 AM »
Just because someone has a qualification on paper, doesn't mean that they are any good at it.
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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2009, 07:59:33 AM »
A reliable source told me it was true, but the absence of spelling and grammar made it barely intelligible in places - which tells you quite a lot about the low level required to get the quallie in the first place.  No-one could work out whether she meant to send it to the whole CS or just clicked in the wrong place.  Apparently her written work was of a similar quality to her oratory in the assembly.....

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #8 on: April 05, 2009, 08:03:59 AM »
Are you saying her oral work is better appreciated than her written stuff? Or the other way round?
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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2009, 08:26:26 AM »
Well I haven't seen the Peace Studies piece (come on, someone must be able to leak it!) but I have heard her speak in the States (still warmer and cheaper than Bean Around the World with usually more empty seats for the general public!) and her stumbling delivery and seeming inability to think on her feet mark her out as one of the least effective "orators" in the place.  Some achievement in a wide field to be fair with only Eddie Noel, Jimmy P and a couple of the other "I speak your weighters" coming close.

All IMHO, of course!

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2009, 12:44:06 PM »
I must say that you are all right when it comes down to her speaking in the house. That is a shame really because the point that she usual makes is very good but just cannot put it across well. Also how many of you would be a good speaker within the States?

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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2009, 03:17:25 PM »
Me, Me, Me. Me and godddamitt Me!!!!!!!

Holy shite don't you think that there is a modicum of aptuance in me?????
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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #12 on: April 27, 2009, 12:27:45 PM »

William

RE: Human Rights Seminar for States Members

I would like to thank you very much for your invitation to come and listen to what you think are human rights.  Before I attend your lesson, I wish to come prepared, and subsequently, I have a few questions I would like answered first in relation to the 39A Public Elections (Jersey) Law:

•   Why has the Attorney General not pursued the election candidate, of St Helier No 2, who breached the 39A of the Public Elections Law in 2008, offences of which Deputy Southern was about to be charged with, had he not discovered that they were on his charge sheet before going to court?

•   Why has the Attorney General not pursued another candidate or candidate’s agent, of St Helier No 2, possibly called ‘Reg’, who had a beard?  I can recall that there was a candidate at least who had a beard and a name beginning with an R (coincidentally, one of two supported by the good Senator, Terry Le Main currently trying desperately to misrepresent Deputy Southern and I).

•   Why has the Attorney General not pursued the election candidate in St Helier District No 1, who committed actual election fraud in attempting to get a postal vote for a person no longer even living in the Island? 

•   Why has the Attorney General not pursued a successful candidate of St Helier No 3, who a complainant states effectively undertook to assist an elector with their errands to secure a vote?  A far worse ‘crime’ than helping somebody, who’d asked for help to fill in a mere postal vote application form (and whom otherwise would not have voted)don’t you think?

Indeed, this really does all stink of discrimination and favouritism on the part of the AG, when considering that he has vehemently pursued both Deputy Southern and I, who have openly criticized his brother (the Bailiff) and, of course, I brought a ‘vote of no confidence’ in him last year, in his decision as Attorney General, to knowingly continue to allow a convicted paedophile a position within the Honorary Police Force (who subsequently went onto offend as an Honorary Policeman)?  A decision with, by far, more serious implications, than an election candidate helping somebody who’d asked for help to fill in a mere postal vote application form (and whom otherwise would not have voted) don’t you think?

Notwithstanding that, I have broken the law and thus expect to be treated the same as anyone else who has breached Article 39A (even if we did get more people involved in the election process as a result – people who quite possibly didn’t even vote for us)!  But that’s the beauty of postal votes – nobody knows who people vote for.  Clearly, however, this is not the case and it appears that the AG is actually a law unto himself. 
So serious is my offence (even more than a man committing violent abuse against his partner – dealt with in the Magistrates Court, as I recall from my last visit) that it is going to the Royal Court!  How then is it compatible with Article 6 (the right to a fair trial) of the Human Rights Law, that a Law Officer of the States will be the Prosecutor of a States Member’s offence?

I would also like to inform you, because the Police didn’t ask me, that I did not at any time go back to these postal voters four or five days later to pressurize them into voting for me and I or indeed any of my party comrades did not set any pillar box on fire, where I knew ballot papers had been posted for another candidate.  I only mention this as I understand these were the justifications given by the proposer of Article 39A, during the States debate last June.  Yes, a piece of legislation brought in with zero evidence to back it up!

Lastly, as an individual who chances to have a Masters Degree in Peace Studies, a discipline based on Human Rights and Conflict Resolution; having considered all of the above at length I think I might wager that I have a far better understanding of what constitutes real Human Rights than you, William.  So on second thoughts I think I might just give your little briefing a miss.


Kindest regards.



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Re: Peace Studies
« Reply #13 on: April 27, 2009, 02:15:52 PM »
The establishment will do anything to keep their power as i have stated on other posts. I cannot vote for you because i am not in your constituency otherwise i would. The messagemost people will say is ( excuse language )  don't let the bastards grind to down!!!

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« Reply #14 on: April 27, 2009, 03:28:38 PM »
Are you saying her oral work is better appreciated than her written stuff? Or the other way round?
I think he's implying that both are equally terrible, and I'd agree.

It's hard to imagine, having read her poorly written, weak argument of a letter as quoted as couple of posts above, how she ever managed to gain a masters degree in any subject!