Author Topic: States pay freeze saves millions  (Read 2159 times)

debumblebee

  • Guest
States pay freeze saves millions
« on: July 15, 2009, 08:57:26 AM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/jersey/8150125.stm

The States of Jersey has saved millions of pounds by freezing public sector workers' pay this year.

The decision not to give staff a salary rise, which was announced by Jersey's chief minister in April, has saved the government more than £6m.

The expenditure had been agreed in this year's business plan.

The money allocated to States' departments to pay for salary rises has now been withdrawn and put into the States' reserves.

My only comment about this is, what will they use these savings to spend on? A new bronze statue of a giant toad down the Waterfront perhaps?

 

Offline Adrian

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 188
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #1 on: July 15, 2009, 11:10:38 AM »
most states members are multi-millionaires anyway so it doesn't affect them

Offline Durendal

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 682
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #2 on: July 15, 2009, 11:22:10 AM »
most states members are multi-millionaires anyway so it doesn't affect them

Not true as there are some millionaires but there are many more career politicians who would not get a job anywhere else
Just for starters
Roy le Herissier
Geoff Southern
Shona Pitman
Trevor Pitman
Stuart Syvret
Deidre Mezbourian
Paul le Claire
Mrs da Souza

Offline ole razzy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1246
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #3 on: July 15, 2009, 12:23:41 PM »
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/jersey/8150125.stm

The States of Jersey has saved millions of pounds by freezing public sector workers' pay this year.

The decision not to give staff a salary rise, which was announced by Jersey's chief minister in April, has saved the government more than £6m. 

The right course of action without doubt but this is peanuts - not even a 1% saving in the total amout of goverment income. I smell the dreaded spin. When they go for a freeze in government expenditure then 10% efficiancy savings over three years I might take notice.
Pimp the States Chamber.

Offline Uriel

  • Newbie
  • *
  • Posts: 33
  • Gender: Male
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2009, 12:49:05 PM »
The right course of action without doubt but this is peanuts - not even a 1% saving in the total amout of goverment income. I smell the dreaded spin. When they go for a freeze in government expenditure then 10% efficiancy savings over three years I might take notice.
Razzy, I'm in total agreement with you.  My recollection is that when the States' voted to introduce GST, part of the "deal" was that the States' would get to grips with government spending.  What's happened?  Government spending has since then ballooned out of control.  You can be fairly certain that whilst various ministers will crow about how the pay freeze will cut spending by £6M, the truth is that overall goverment spending this year will continue to rise, at well above the rate of inflation.

Offline Calimachon

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1221
  • Gender: Female
  • An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind.
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #5 on: July 15, 2009, 01:07:47 PM »
Razzy, I'm in total agreement with you.  My recollection is that when the States' voted to introduce GST, part of the "deal" was that the States' would get to grips with government spending.  What's happened?  Government spending has since then ballooned out of control.  You can be fairly certain that whilst various ministers will crow about how the pay freeze will cut spending by £6M, the truth is that overall goverment spending this year will continue to rise, at well above the rate of inflation.

Well who on earth can we trust to put the final knot in the public purse strings?  Some people blame the Civil Serpents because the Bentators and Septuties are weak!  Will the people have to rebel and insist on better management and government.   

Cali
"Life gives to all the choice. You can satisfy yourself with mediocrity if you wish. You can be common, ordinary, dull, colorless, or you can channel your life so that it will be clean,vibrant, progressive, useful, colorful, rich". Spencer W. Kimball (Calimachon is not a Mormon nor is she in any shape or form religious but she thinks this applies to all humans and more so to a Humanist!  :)

Offline ole razzy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1246
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #6 on: July 15, 2009, 01:10:56 PM »
The too many chiefs and not enough indians argument is well known on this forum. A wholesale scalling back and rationalisation of middle management must surely be the top prioity. We live in a small community and because of that we get first hand knowledge of the manpower issues in government administartion directly from freinds and family. I wish I had a pound for every time somebody has told me that they find their new states job a much more cushy number then the real life stress of working in the private sector.  

PS - the states employ a middle manager full time with the manpower department to tell them how many people are employed by the states. Why not save £50,000 a year by getting the chief officers to email their monthly figures to Bill Ogley's sectretary? They all have HR officers with that info at their fingertips after all.
Pimp the States Chamber.

Offline Dylan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • HELP!
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #7 on: July 15, 2009, 06:09:19 PM »
And the celebration of Robespierre was only yesterday.........!
!dereggub si draobyek ym kniht I

Offline imacrappaud

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 460
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #8 on: July 31, 2009, 08:19:42 PM »
I may have mentioned this before but I know someone who offered to do their same job but as part time because they were utterly bored of doing nothing for most of the day. Its great when you have been busy for months on end to get a break but this was not like that. The person in question started the job less than a year ago and got fed up of nothing to do. Upon offering to do it part time was told it might get busy so we musnt lose our staff budget. This person has now semi left the job but is there still on the basis of teaching the new person who is again full time and will do nothing for at least half of the day.

If this was a private sector employer then on the offchance that it got busy one day you would offer overtime not a whole full time member of staff in case they were busy once or twice a year. So the states pay freeze may save money but it does absolutely nothing to get to the root of the problem.

rogueelement

  • Guest
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #9 on: August 01, 2009, 02:32:10 PM »
Brilliant ! so that dept. now has 1and 1/2 bodies to do what could probably done by less than 1/2 body.
I think we need the wisdom of solomon to crack this one!
I believe that type of behaviour to be endemic amongst State Employees and the sickness program(nudge nudge wink wink , your turn to be sick next week) is still alive and well .Did someone recently produce Stats comparing illness in the private sector with illness in the States sector? It really is a joke and if you add on all the suspensions ,lets start with the magistrate, work through the Health system , add on the Police force suspensions and the numbers would look seriously abnormal,never mind the cost. Shall we start by sacking everyone suspended or reinstate them until they have been proven to have done something wrong. Either way , it is a nonsense to keep people on tenter hooks ,on full pay, and it's my money!!! Sort out this ridiculous situation please!!

Online Uni

  • Full Member
  • ***
  • Posts: 134
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #10 on: August 01, 2009, 05:06:50 PM »

    Time and motion studies badly needed here in all States depts. While  looking at the above info, should have been delivered for years.It will never happen while we have the likes of chief officers, managers plainly running this island.Why has'nt Bill Ogley( what's a name) brought this forward if times are so hard. Sensible thing to do surely.Goes to show how much they care and whose pockets are looked after.Would like to see one very brave politian bring this forward as a proposition in the near future. Would'nt get  passed though while we have nearly all Constable continually voting with the Establishment.Until we get rid of that lot.With Public and every one voting and putting their effort into coming election,( if Jersey is'nt bankcrupt by then) Only then we hopefully,we'l see a possible U turn gained for all our sakes. Replies please.

rogueelement

  • Guest
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #11 on: August 01, 2009, 05:28:49 PM »
The Constables should be paid out of Parish rates and not have a seat in the States.At least that way we might have more of an interest into who might be the next Connetable.I think the constables do a job, I just do not think they should be a member of our parliament.It really is quite ridiculous that unopposed people can vote (usually en masse) in an allegedly democratic Parliament.
They need to be paid and possibly a percentage of the rates would suffice, that would mean the Constable of St Helier got a very big wage ,commensurate with the population of his Parish and the Constable of St Mary would get next to bugger all.Entirely fair since his workload (If he removed those silly 20 mph signs ) is negligible compared to that of St Helier.This too would invite the fittest and the best to stand as Constables who would look after their Parish and leave Island Politics to those who actually know and understand issues beyond farming.(This would obviously exclude green people who do not even know about Agriculture, they should join quangos , unpaid and go and spout their nonsense with a meeting of their supporters, in a telephone box somewhere near a wind farm, which they could undoubtedly offer great assistance too.)

Offline Dylan

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1672
  • HELP!
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #12 on: August 02, 2009, 08:48:39 AM »
They're called "Stubbles" where I come from!
!dereggub si draobyek ym kniht I

Offline imacrappaud

  • Sr. Member
  • ****
  • Posts: 460
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #13 on: August 02, 2009, 10:45:01 AM »
They will have 1 body to 1/2 a job but then again the other bodies are probably doing 1/2 a job too!

Offline boatyboy

  • Hero Member
  • *****
  • Posts: 1789
Re: States pay freeze saves millions
« Reply #14 on: August 02, 2009, 06:38:11 PM »

I saw this comment and to give Ben  (JEP)  a pat on the back is not enough. I suppose his editor must also be given credit for allowing it to be published and putting it on the internet. He is offering real facts and figures. Enjoy and comment.


AS someone quite famously said just over 40 years ago, it was ‘a small step for man, a giant leap for mankind’. The 2010 Business Plan published last week was a high point, a zenith, and the product of many, many hours of hard work.

So many pages, so many words, so many graphs and so many numbers – it’s almost enough to make your head swim. But they did it folks, they pulled it out of the bag.

A new pinnacle was achieved. The previous high watermark for heartstring-tugging, poverty-pleading, fingers-crossed-behind-your-back cuts was around seven years ago, when then-Education Committee president Len Norman ‘reluctantly’ cut the budget for foreign language assistants in schools.

Cue outcry. Cue protests. Cue letter-writing campaign. Cue last-minute reversal. Cue budget restored. Cue everyone happy.

The Council of Ministers have smashed that record with cuts so breathtakingly cynical that a small part of you has to admire the courage it took to write them down.

Here’s a sample: Cutting baby milk supplies in maternity. Reducing heating in the General Hospital by five degrees. Putting up bus fares. Closing Environment Department visitor centres.

In case you missed it, here’s the underlying message – the States are so stretched for cash that if you cut so much as 0.5% (£4m from a £754m budget) newborn babies go hungry, sick people shiver, bus passengers have to hold whip-rounds for petrol money and we have to close down the countryside.

Ask yourself, when did you see a package of cuts proposed that would have removed funding from traffic wardens, or slapped a five-year pay freeze on everyone earning over £50,000 or capping overtime for all States staff?

Never, that’s when. And you never will either. Those things might be popular, and that would ruin everything.

Because, while ministers keep indulging in the kinds of games we have seen in the Business Plan, they don’t have to look at the kinds of savings that might get controversial, like cutting back on the insane pension deals in the public sector, seriously reviewing pay rates or supplementation, or looking at how much middle management we actually need.
And why look at those things at all? You can just propose cutting some cheap services that a lot of people use or come into contact with, killing three birds with one stone (how’s that for efficiency?).

First, you give the impression of a service at breaking point, where the slightest cut – and 0.5% ain’t huge folks – appears to mean drastic cuts.

Second, you can keep your fingers crossed that someone will lodge an amendment to restore your funding and put more cash into your department.

That’s why you don’t see the proposals to cut unpopular services (I’m picking on traffic wardens this week, but you can probably come up with a few more), or a pay-freeze for high earners or a cap on over-time.

And thirdly, you don’t even have to do the shouting, the moaning or the protesting. The unions have people who are elected and paid to protect jobs and salaries that will do it for you.

Remaining on the subject of the Business Plan just for a moment, the press conference a week ago saw a repetition of what must be a contender for the Most Irritating and Nonsensical Argument of the Year.

It was Treasury Minister Philip Ozouf who reminded us all, in case we’d forgotten, that Jersey’s economic situation represented ‘a far better picture than most other countries and most Treasury or Chief Ministers in any other country’.

Yeah? And so what?

We’ve got less rain than Bangladesh, less unemployment than Spain, and less knife crime than central London.

And that knowledge is about as much use as a false beard if you’re wet, out of work, or just been stabbed.
Can we finally put this line out to pasture please?

‘I don’t think they were duped at all. I don’t think it’s embarrassing at all. It’s just one of those things.’

With these words, Assistant Economic Development Minister Paul Routier breezily brushed away national newspaper stories about a teenager who landed a meeting with Airport director Julian Green after pretending that he ran an airline.

Embarrassing? Nah. Why would anyone think that?

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/07/27/a-week-in-politics-48/

JEP.