Deputy Tadier demands the removal of the constables

[debumblebee]

I caught this on the radio this morning because he said on Talk Back yesterday that he would like the constables removed.

Just out of interest though, how many of these constables regularly vote against left wing proposals in the States?  I do not know what the figures are, but I would imagine this has something to do with it.

[Chevalier Blanc]

I stated the other day with the Constables out you will have a Dictatorship make no bones about that!!!  It is the Constables that stand in the way by law that is stopping the power crazyed likes of Ozouf and the rest of them making it such.
One knows that when you are voting for a Constable he / she will be a States member and that is taken on board by the voters. So lets stop trying to get the Constables out of the States.

[debumblebee]

Well its up for discussion and judging by the voting records already this year the Constables will stay put.

[imacrappaud]

I dont even know why you discuss these things anymore, myself included by the way. We can sit here and talk all we want but at the end of the day it makes no difference. Same as we might vote in a newbie they either to tow the line or are ostracised. By the time the States of Jersey actually care more about the people they govern instead of themselves it will be because they want one of us muppets to tend their grave!

[debumblebee]

The voting public always seem to vote in favour of the devil they already know. I think the problem with not just this deputy but others is that nobody knows what they really are about.

Time for Change in hand out letters promoted a website that is heavily anti-finance industry. Now because of this and other rumours many people distanced themselves from this new group of people. But what I am trying to say is that if people do not understand your intentions or the messages you give out are dangerous and lets be realistic, whatever you think of the finance industry it keeps the money flowing in Jersey, people will vote for the people they already know and actually trust.

I think Monty like some other left wing people do make some valid points. But they just lack that majority support. If everybody met in the middle and respected each others views instead of playing childish attacks on one other I.E. Southern's letter in yesterday's Post slagging off Ozouf again. Then maybe something could be done to change things for all the better on all sides.

The fighting, back stabbing and attempted hidden rumour mongering (and I know it goes on) has to cease because the voting Public are sick of it.

[Uni]

   Having followed how the States members vote after every sitting. And checking it out in the j.e.p. next day. It is surprising that it has come so recently on this Forum
 and out in the Puplic domain, Of how the Constables have voted every time. This has been going on for the last 10 years to my knowledge.Showed up in Walkers time more noticeably.This is how so much gets voted in against the peoples interest, Money first rules O.K.
 Check it out after each sittings of  States in j.e.p. for written conformation on
 following day. Continuallyvoting au Bloc, all Constables with the exeption of S Crowcraft an the odd one occasionally All vote with the establishment.
 How their Voting comes out is the most important for all of us continually letting the people down.At last people are now taking note of what goes on in the States. Hitting publics pockets apparently is working. Hopefully for the next election they will also use their vote to get the Constables out,
 !0 to 8 extra votes they use overrules the 15 or 16 members each time .Who try to make the changes and difference so badly needed that would benefits all of us. Thanks to Scrutiny who now lets out badly needed information to the Public and hopefully continue to do so. Is at last getting thu to how we are truly governed. Without Scrutiny  we would undoubely be hanging by our fingers tips. With the treatment shown of HOW Ministers and executives( if they get away with it) intent to make savings directly aimed solely at the most vunerable here on this island( now having bactracked )has been a disgrace of this goverment Opinions please?

[debumblebee]

I think you could the same of the little rebel party with their votes. Geoff Southern writes a letter to the paper yesterday under the assumption that the people reading it have totally forgotten about him breaking the law with postal votes. Montfort thinks everybody wants his  views in running the island yet also forgets that most people in finance knows that he is a member of a group that wants up closed down. Its sad really because the idea that this group 'as it stands' will eventually run the island is one big ripping yarn. On the radio again today 'we need new people' and that came from somebody on the left.

[Chevalier Blanc]

Have you ever thought that the Constables are the only sane ones in the States and that they are stopping the power hunger rich members from playing their game.

[Deputy Dawg]

On the radio again today 'we need new people' and that came from somebody on the left.

Yes, I can think of quite a few on the left who should make way for some "new people", come to that, quite a few on the right and in the middle, including some "new people" who are in fist time this term.

I think the clothier report should be brought back before the states and the full implementation put forward for adoption. According to those that put themselves forward for positions in the states last year they virtually all would have voted for all the amendments to our current system instead of just cherry picking. Lets see if they vote the same as they speak at hustings and in the paper if this is brought back onto the agenda?

[debumblebee]

I recall being shown some e-mail messages by a person before he got in the States accusing people that did not agree with his view of Jersey life as "Walkerites".

Apart from this behaviour being incredibly childish it showed an inability by that person to work with others. If we do get new people coming forward it is paramount that they respect others and behave in a mature manner.

It is an important job and the public eyes are on you all the time. I actually think some left wing suggestions would be taken more seriously if they were presented by different people (personally).  At the moment Messrs Southern & Co are making complete tits of themselves especially in the Paper and I think the only fan the JDA seems to have at the moment is Emile.

[imacrappaud]

Frankly i think the majority of the states members behave like children when it comes to their incesant bickering. Its all about brownie points and brown nosing more than actually getting things done, unless of course getting things done is in many of their own or their circle of friends best interests.

I might put myself up for election next time I quite fancy a nice pay rise for doing sod all but arguing about irrelevant matters. Hope no one will mind me stealing their taxes for a few years of sitting on my arse.

[Fritz]

I would enjoy the lifestyle, holidays and jollies etc. But I dont think I could take the pay drop.

[rogueelement]

Have you ever thought that the Constables are the only sane ones in the States and that they are stopping the power hunger rich members from playing their game.

Had a look at the constables lately ? noticed any of them struggling? Jeeeesus CB I worry about you . you think the constables are looking after the little people? You are having a laugh , for someone who expresses fairly left wing views , why do you think , this "Establishment" Core at the heart of Jersey politics is such a great thing?
I think they do a good job and should be paid out of Parish rates, but in no way should they be in the States. they are the "mayors" of tiny little villages ,hardly ever elected , and do not have an original political thought between them. Time to feck em off.

[imacrappaud]

alright for some Fritz. ALthough the perks may outweigh the drop!

[stoofa]

Surely whether the role of constable should be removed and whether the current encumbants are of desirable (whatever that means to you individually) political persuasion are separate.

The fact that we have substantial over representation in the states (and I believe we do) has been knocked about endlessly, and the role of constables are an obvious way that might be considered to address this.

The notion that they are 'letting the people down' just because they happen to vote in a manner you don't agree with doesn't really hold though. Can't kick em all out for that...