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Offline Goreyman

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Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« on: September 25, 2009, 06:09:05 AM »
Like many people in the Island it has seemed for the last 4 years inevitable that Sen Ozouf will be the next Chief Minister in 2011.

Is Sen Le Marquand positioning himself for a run at the post in 2 years time? I hope so.
I do not agree with everything he says - if I did then I would worry about his politics. He has shown by topping the Senatorial Poll that he is the most popular Senator with the public (note well ahead of Sen Ozouf). He refuses to be led by others - ie he's not a Council of Ministers Tel and Pip lacky; speaks his mind and has support from all sides of the House.
Sen Ozouf as Chief Minister would continue the polarisation of the House. We need a leader who can bring together the potpourri of views and beliefs of all the elected members. The States will be stronger (and hence our Islands) if there is less politicised petty squabbling and more focus on doing the best for ALL members of our society.
Yes the States need people like Sen Ozouf to keep the Finance Industry happy; Dep Southern to put the case for the less fortunate and Dep Wimberley to give the House the Green prospective but what is needed is a leader who can unite these views to the betterment of Jersey.

Sen Le Marquand is the person who at present is doing that very well. Few if any states members have a bad thing to say about him (a bit like Dep Le Herrisier) he will support any Proprotition if he thinks it is worthwhile and he does not care who brought the proposal. We all know that if say a JDC member brought a proprotition then people like Sen Le Main would not support them even if it was to pay retiring Senators a £1,000,000 golden goodbye (unless it was in a brown enevelope - maybe (oops better say alledgedly to protect PJ!)).


So I for one really hope Sen Le Marquand will put his hat in the ring at the next election for Chief Minister. I don't want Sen Ozouf to just get in because everyone knows he's going to get the post. If he is to be the next CM then he needs to earn it. The role of the CM is to bring the House together; we all know Sen Le Sueur has massively failed in that respect; lets hope the House won't make the same mistake next time.

So what are your views?

Should Sen Le Marquand put his name forward as a potential CM? Is there someone else who could challenge the CM designate Sen Ozouf?

Thoughts comments??

Offline shaun the sheep

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #1 on: September 25, 2009, 06:58:38 AM »
Totally agree, I.Le. M. firstclass Minister

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #2 on: September 25, 2009, 03:24:06 PM »
Ok, I will firstly state that I might be wrong but didnt Stuart Syvret top the elections once yet did not make it as chief minister? If I am right, and thank god you might say, I think that, if it is already written so far as who will be head honcho then he hasnt really got a chance. Perhaps if it was us tax paying mortals that got the vote then he may but thats not the way it works.

I vote me for chief minister, I will stop wasting tax money. Will think local and buy local consultants/developers/architects/masterplan designers. Will buy a waste plant that is environmentally friendly. Will build the effing town park. Will kick out Dandara. Will stop foreign ownership of multiple properties on OUR land. Will set up a visa system so we dont have criminals running here to hide or carry on their enterprises. Will stop lazy buggers who literally cant be bothered to work from claiming income support. Put a cap on single mothers breeding for a better home.  I will make a rule that if suspended from duty it needs to come to a conclusion within 6 months not years. I will make young offenders rebuild the walkways around the island that have become derelict. Stop littering by putting in on the spot fines. I will also bring Breda back to how it once tasted.

Vote me or continue to see our beautiful island go down the sh..hole.

I will also stop drinking if I do get the vote!

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #3 on: September 25, 2009, 03:31:00 PM »
you would get my vote.

vote iamacrappaud.
goreyman, i could not agree more

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #4 on: September 25, 2009, 04:18:49 PM »
I Le M would be a perfect CM if the desires of the general public were foremost when the States had to make decisions.

Unfortunately, the desires of powerful business folk take priority in Jersey.

Selecting Ozouf would merely be replacing a robot with an inexperienced,(business-wise), puppet.

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #5 on: September 25, 2009, 04:24:22 PM »
Ozouf would not make a good CM. We need someone that might actually understand the people of Jersey not a rich spoilt brat! But oh that is my personal opinion!  ;D

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #6 on: September 25, 2009, 05:36:22 PM »
Senator Ian Le Marquand

I do not believe that we can long continue with the present situation in which the people of Jersey have no effective say as to who will be the next Chief Minister and other Ministers.

Unfortunately ministerial government has not worked as well as I and many of the people of Jersey had hoped. This is due partly to the fact that some bad decisions have been made by individual ministers and partly due to the lack of accountability of ministers to the States as a whole and therefore to the electorate.

There is a further problem in that it has been made too difficult for the States to remove from office individual ministers who are not performing well.

The past performance of the Waterfront Enterprise Board (WEB) in terms of buildings and plans has not been good and there are problems with the way in which it was set up.

In relation to Harcourt Limited, there were problems with the tendering process because although competitive tenders were obtained for separate segments of the development, competitive tenders were never obtained for the whole project or for the cost of lowering and covering the road.............................. Corruption ?

http://www.ianlemarquand.com/index.html

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #7 on: September 25, 2009, 11:15:05 PM »
There is a further problem in that it has been made too difficult for the States to remove from office individual ministers who are not performing well.

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #8 on: September 26, 2009, 03:33:07 AM »
Sen le Marquand would be my choice at the moment only because their is no one else ...

He has learnt quite a lot about the states chamber after making a complete prat of himself my bringing operation blast into the spotlight with zero information to back it up.... That was the moment the penny dropped for him..... he had been used..... Not his style but he learnt a great lesson...

He is also trying to deal with all the sh.t left behind by Frank Waker

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #9 on: September 26, 2009, 05:58:13 AM »
I'm sure like me Rico you went to the Senatorial hustings last year and thought; well yeah he says he wants to be his own man but will he once he gets into the States?

The position he was put in with Operation Blast combined with having to continue the suspension of G Power made him realise how easily it is to be used by Terry and Phil (and not forgetting Bill).
Thankfully as you say he has learnt from that, and sooner rather than later, and we can expect him to become a highly respected member of the House.

I wonder if Ozouf will try to get on his side if he sees that the House will be favouring Le Marquand for the next CM?

There are a few Ozouf supporters who won't be in the States when the next CM is elected (TLS, TLM and Freddie) so his power base will be down to Maclean (who will press the wrong button anyhow so Phil can't rely on his vote lol) Le Fondre and Noel.

The Business Plan has been a revelation with the CoM being beaten more times than they would hope for. I believe the tide is starting to turn and the person who is surprising turning that tide is Sen Le Marquand. The weak ditherers (as I call them) now see they can oppose the CoM as the most popular Senator (from the last Election) is being the Pied Piper.

The change needed more people in the States like T Pitman, Tadier and The Womble but there was still a need for someone to bring the ditherers to their senses as well.

So I for one support Sen Le Marquand for CM. I would also like to see P & P bring a proposal to the House that the CM be elected by the public. (So Rico get onto your mate Tadier about this one - nothing more than another voting slip on election day is required where sitting Senators have to put their name forward for the post and those standing for a Senatorial seat also have to declare in advance whether they want to be considered for the CM post. Sen Le Marquand is a case in point he would not have wanted the CM post as his first job in the States)

So here's to the future. The Business Plan debates have shown that the House can make the right decisions if you let them. This should not be an exception, this should be the norm. In many ways this is happening because TLS is such a weak leader but Sen Le Marquand is leading the ditherers so well done to him and all the enlightened members.

Vote for what's right not just so you get an invite to Ozouf's next dinner party!

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2009, 07:01:07 AM »
Good post Goreyman

Sen le m for cm...    Bet ozouf is in his bunker now planning his next move this could be fun


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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2009, 07:22:51 AM »
I have come to the conclusion that when i voted for Sen. Le Marquand that he would do a good job but now i firmly believe that he should be the next Chief Minister. He has shown himself to be of the calibre to serve this island in the way it should be with honest and passion for this island and it's people. Never in more than 4 decades have we had a person who stands head and shoulders above the rest of the members in the States.

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2009, 07:27:34 AM »
I think some people are missing the point.  The prognosis for the economy is not good, and the States budget is still not in good shape.  The real power for the next few years will be in the control of the purse strings, not the titular head of the Council of ministers. Don't be surprised if Sen Ozouf stays exactly where he is.

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #13 on: September 26, 2009, 07:52:08 AM »
I think you're about right Mark, also I hear that the CM is already taking orders from Sen. Ozouf.  So, sadly it appears he is already in charge.

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Re: Can he challenge Sen Ozouf
« Reply #14 on: September 26, 2009, 11:40:18 AM »
It's like Brown and Blair all over again, the Chancellor telling the PM what he is going to do  ;)