Author Topic: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.  (Read 4099 times)

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.
« Reply #30 on: March 02, 2008, 05:01:39 PM »
I think the JEP has not been reporting the news at all as we all see it this week.  Are they seriously suggesting that they have only had about a dozen letters in on the Walker interview cock ups and they just so happen to be critical of Syvret?

Even the BBC radio phone in of Friday suggested an anger towards Walker that we have NOT seen in the JEP this week.  Posts on other forums, not just this forum also suggest that the JEP is not reporting the full story.

It is also well known that Walker’s Mother's side owns the Guiton Group and even in Guernsey, comments have been raised about the Paxman reporting, or lack of tunefulness, as they see it all.

I think the general consensus is that Walker was shown up on the Paxman interview as an uncaring Chief Minister whose main interest was Jersey's reputation as a finance centre as opposed to the fact that the Police are currently digging up dead bodies.

His reputation is now in shatters.  He is finished.

As for a cover up, time will tell.  After all, all the evidence has not been collected up yet, they are still digging.  They have asked for time to collect all witness statements.  And besides for now, I think the Sharp Report which was released by Stuart Syvret on Tuesday is a damming enough report to suggest cover ups are going on within the mechanics of Jersey.

Just with regard to the Syvret interview.  We don't know when this was taken and we don't know what was edited out of it, if anything.
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Re: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.
« Reply #31 on: March 02, 2008, 08:54:31 PM »
Anyone with half an ounce of brain will have been able to see that the JEP has provided a total disservice to the island by its reporting stance and trying to turn around the truth in their print. Only someone who worked for the paper or had an interest in the paper would be defending it to such an extent after seeing this weeks reports and being able to verify them against a multituide of reports from TV and newspaper that contradicts nearly everything they say.

I fully agree with AHITS and the majority of the other reviewers of this site, one day a week for no JEP (other than the usual sunday).

It is not blackmail to ask a paper to report the truth and remove your personal money if they don't. They could always start to deliver the truth instead of selected versions of stories and prevent any boycott, buy you know as well as I that the only way to hit companies in Jersey is through their money.

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« Reply #32 on: March 02, 2008, 09:15:28 PM »
It is not blackmail to ask a paper to report the truth and remove your personal money if they don't.

I know that I am being labelled as being belligerent, but I have to ask, how do we know what they are printing is or is not the truth ? National newspapers do not exactly have a glowing reputation when it comes to publishing the truth and TV/Radio is not far behind them.

Personally I'll sit on the fence as far at boycotting the JEP is concerned. As I've already said I don't buy he JEP and I think it's barking up the wrong tree and reasonably futile to try and intimidate the rag into printing what we think it should. The only way I can see any difference being made is to remove, by popular protest/vote, the benefactor and his pet frog, sorry toad.
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« Reply #33 on: March 02, 2008, 10:22:04 PM »
I know that I am being labelled as being belligerent, but I have to ask, how do we know what they are printing is or is not the truth ?

You're not being labelled as belligerent for asking that. It's a reasonable question. I labelled you as belligerent in regard to your response to my earlier post...that doesn't mean you're now doomed to wander the forum with a special mark branded across your forehead!  :P

I'm sure I'll be corrected if anyone disgrees, but when people here question the JEP's attitude to truth as regards the Frank Walker issue, they're questioning the paper's decision to omit certain facts and information with the intention of taking the heat off Walker. The paper is not printing lies, let's make that clear.
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« Reply #34 on: March 04, 2008, 01:44:14 PM »
Does anbody know anything about this rally that is supposed to be taking place this Saturday at the Royal square? like who has organised it, what the rally is about, what time it is, has it been advertised, depending on its theme, do they need help handing out leaflets?
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« Reply #35 on: March 04, 2008, 02:07:23 PM »
National newspapers do not exactly have a glowing reputation when it comes to publishing the truth and TV/Radio is not far behind them.

Sorry, but that's pretty unfair. If you take the British media as a whole, and scan all sources, you can get a pretty good idea of what 'the truth' is. From the Sunday Times' Insight team which revealed the full extent of the thalidomide scandal (among countless other investigations), to the Matrix Churchill Affair, even to the 'Dodgy Dossier', these are all things that were brought to the public's attention purely by the press, and there are countless more.
There are still some quarters where the British press and broadcast media takes its role as the fourth estate very seriously, and taken as a whole it still holds politicians on all sides to account. 

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Re: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.
« Reply #36 on: March 04, 2008, 02:46:29 PM »
Does anbody know anything about this rally that is supposed to be taking place this Saturday at the Royal square? like who has organised it, what the rally is about, what time it is, has it been advertised, depending on its theme, do they need help handing out leaflets?

Found this:

An informal consensus-based organising group now exists to pull together the publicity and other arrangements for the gathering/vigil/protest in the Royal Square - we hope it will be an expression of community outrage after the recent terrible news. In particular, its an opportunity to show support for the victims of child abuse in Jersey, failed by the public administration system, and to register concerns about the need for change. No cover ups and to ensure this never happens again. No more overlap between judiciary and legislature. No more culture of secrecy. Please tell your friends, publicise where you can. Anybody who wants to help in the next few days, please ring or text Jersey Solidarity on 07797844358. There's plenty to do.

Tell your family and friends - Saturday 8th March Royal Square 12 noon.

copy this message and put it on other sites - facebook, Planet Jersey, any you can think of. Any small help - ringing Radio Jersey Phone-ins, putting ad in JEP, even a small one in personal column, promoting on web, helping with posters, leaflets, creating a telephone tree, turning up in numbers on Saturday, all help is needed and valued. Let's come together as a community and say things have got to change.

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Re: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.
« Reply #37 on: March 04, 2008, 02:59:03 PM »
Danrok. Thanks for that, i've just copied it on another thread on here. I have phoned the number and offered my services and e-mailed all my contacts.

Although there does appear to be differences between individuals and websites, I hope everybody could put all them aside for one day and unite in order to show strength not only to the victims but to this horrible regime we are having to endure they call the council of ministers.
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« Reply #38 on: March 04, 2008, 03:20:37 PM »
Surprisingly, CTV's website has details of this rally posted.

I found the details on isthisjersey.com, earlier.

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« Reply #39 on: March 04, 2008, 03:28:09 PM »
Well that should give the attendance quite a boost - especially if they also mention it on the news.

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« Reply #40 on: March 04, 2008, 03:33:32 PM »
I don't think CTV or the JEP have any option.
If it wasn't publicised on peoples blogs and someone had just contacted them I don't think they would mention it.

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Re: Vote of No Confidence in our Chief Minister.
« Reply #41 on: March 04, 2008, 03:46:31 PM »
I have copied & pasted the info, from 'Is This Jersey' re protest in the Royal Square, onto my JerseyBean Group. 
I hope there is a massive turnout.

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« Reply #42 on: March 04, 2008, 08:25:37 PM »
I understand the JDA is doing it and that is why you found the information on the isthisjersey website.  It's their forum.

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« Reply #43 on: March 04, 2008, 09:38:34 PM »
Hi all.

I've just tried to copy & paste the rally details onto the BBC Radio Jersey 'Have your say' section. Wonder if it will appear?

Admin - you'll probably say no but.............anyone fancy a t-shirt?

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« Reply #44 on: March 07, 2008, 02:20:19 PM »
Our Chief Minister is being very quiet at the moment. I remember not so long ago when there were rumours flying around that he was wife beating (again) CTV and JEP gave him a lot of coverage and "inches" to enable him to address his public on the rumours and show just how much of a lovely guy he is.

In the current climate where it appears he is being accused of cover up, corruption, and what would appear to be the vast majority of his public are screaming for his resignation, he is nowhere to be seen.
If I were a local journalist, in order to appear to be earning my money and keeping the public informed, I would be hounding him for an interview, should he refuse I would be letting the public know. As a "leader" he doesn't appear to be leading very well and in this time of crisis, accusations and turmoil surely he should be addressing his public shouldn't he?
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