Senator stuart syvret v AG

[newmac]

Just reading the front page of the forum and to quote

"Planet Jersey is a Political Forum to Discuss and Debate Political, Cultural and Social issues."

So if you don't have an interest or want to discuss a certain subject or person don't read it, simple

[GeeGee]

Who the hell is a GEEGEE and why does she think she has more rights than a DBB and can she confirm she does not have BO? Pathetic! quite honestly I find it astounding that those with most to say about civil rights , appear the most hell bent upon denying other people opnions. "Judge not less ye be judged"

You obviously know who I am Spartacus else you would not know what gender I am! Yes, all woman, with no BO!

I could not give a monkey's about the opinions of DBB, he is obviously a pillock, and as for your assertion 'Judge not less ye be judged' I suggest you take your own advice here!

And......furthermore I am (if you had not already guessed) an SS supporter.

[en830]

Just out of interest and sorry if it has been mentioned elsewhere, why did the Police pull over Syvret in the first place. Was he driving dangerously or, a bit like the UK, is there some-sort of trigger mechanism fitted in the force's vehicles that picks up people with out insurance, licence etc ?

My thoughts on this part of the trial are, that if he has a licence, as he claims, then why go to all this trouble and cost to the tax payer to prove it. Why not just produce the evidence ? If he didn't, then like the rest of us he should have to incur the penalty imposed. Put into context, if he doesn't have a valid licence and had been involved in a crash/accident whereby others were hurt or worse, then any insurance claims could have been invalid.

[rogueelement]

You obviously know who I am Spartacus else you would not know what gender I am! Yes, all woman, with no BO!

I could not give a monkey's about the opinions of DBB, he is obviously a pillock, and as for your assertion 'Judge not less ye be judged' I suggest you take your own advice here!

And......furthermore I am (if you had not already guessed) an SS supporter.

I have no idea whatsoever as to who you are , but the fact that you are female has been established in previous postings.
I could not give a monkeys about the opionions of a Talking horse who is obviously a pillock and as for your assertion that I take my own advice I am! I usually do that is why i am usually at variance with you clowns in the Syvrashite Camp.
The point I was making is that those of you who are so vehement about "freedoms" appear to be reluctant to allow similar freedom to people who oppose your (IMHO rather niaeve ) views which appear to be based on charisma and a lack of any real focus or ability to understand facts.A bit like terrorists who are led blindly  to the perceived heaven without a clue as to the rationality of what they are doing= Muppets!
Anyway bless you all, you have my sympathy in your current lack of focus and leadership. I do hope that you are not too disapointed in your messiah  , hey! maybe he,ll make it back for Easter!

[boatyboy]

Sparty you said,

The point I was making is that those of you who are so vehement about "freedoms" appear to be reluctant to allow similar freedom to people who oppose your (IMHO rather niaeve ) views which appear to be based on charisma and a lack of any real focus or ability to understand facts.


That is of course complete rubbish, and without any basis yet again.Of course its your personal view which you are entitled to just like Rico is his.

Firstly you said "appear to be reluctant", what does that mean ? if any poster writes anything, it gets read, its called freedom of speech. I will explain it for you, For or against, maybe some people are undecided, and need more debate. Just like the people on here, write views coming from north and south of the subject. The only people who have any say is Admin or a Mod with regard to removing posts ( or banning posters ), which should only be done if the rules on the main menu are not followed.

As you were Hugh ( the Mod) last night and moderating, why did you ban Rico ? because you did not like what he posted ? too many interesting well documented facts maybe ( a tad long but so what ). Are you going to reinstate him ? if not why not?

As you can see, and as Ole Razzy has pointed out the general view is he has done nothing wrong. As newmac says, is this just plain censorship by Admin and his friends.

Boatyboy

[iruka]

Just out of interest and sorry if it has been mentioned elsewhere, why did the Police pull over Syvret in the first place. Was he driving dangerously or, a bit like the UK, is there some-sort of trigger mechanism fitted in the force's vehicles that picks up people with out insurance, licence etc ?

My thoughts on this part of the trial are, that if he has a licence, as he claims, then why go to all this trouble and cost to the tax payer to prove it. Why not just produce the evidence ? If he didn't, then like the rest of us he should have to incur the penalty imposed. Put into context, if he doesn't have a valid licence and had been involved in a crash/accident whereby others were hurt or worse, then any insurance claims could have been invalid.

Not sure how it came to be detected, but I do know he has admitted it on his blog.

[newmac]

Didn't they find out about the licence and wrong address on his log book during the so-called data protection raid.

[boatyboy]

I am not a 100% certain but in the UK if the police break the law ( by not following procedure ) then should they find something out about a suspect then this evidence is inadmissible.

In the case of Stuart Syvret I think it came to light ( lack of licence amongest his personal documents ) during what he calls an illegal raid on the residence he was living in.Therefore evidence was gained illegally about the licence.

Even so IMO he should have paid the fine, maybe someone with a legal knowledge can en-lighten us.

I do find it quite alarming that no Judge signed a warrant. If the police (so was proved in SS case ) can wait outside your house, grab you and then gain entry to your personal world on a hunch rather than getting permission from a higher authority, which would have to have evidence that you have swag stashed away, and are acting in a criminal manner.

All very concerning m'Lord.

Boatyboy.

[The Backbencher]

His attempts to get out of it by claiming the raid was unlawful were pretty weak in my mind,  Just suppose they had found a stash of drugs would he still be immune to prosecution?  The States had a vote on the raid and they agreed it was lawful.  No he is living in a world of his own.

[newmac]

What I find strange is how there was a unused warrant for one of his previous addresses, yet they misuse the PPCE to raid Deputy Labeys property

[newmac]

His attempts to get out of it by claiming the raid was unlawful were pretty weak in my mind,  Just suppose they had found a stash of drugs would he still be immune to prosecution?  The States had a vote on the raid and they agreed it was lawful.  No he is living in a world of his own.

Can you give us a link to Hansard on that vote?

[The Backbencher]

Here is the story but you don't need hansard to figure out voted for and against!

http://www.bbc.co.uk/jersey/content/articles/2009/05/01/states_syvret_arrest_feature.shtml

[newmac]

I did mention anything about who voted for or against and I'm not particularly interested.

From what I remember the Southern question was not to do about the legality of the raid, that's why the Hansard would be helpful to show if States Members voted on the legality as you state or not.

[newmac]

As I thought the proposition by Deputy Southern was not about the legality of the raid, so unless you are referring to another vote in the states and not the BBC article you link to, they Did not agree that it was lawful so you've got that fact wrong.

The proposition was debated in the States on 30th April 2009 and can be read here. http://www.statesassembly.gov.je and looking up the date on Hansard.

[rico sorda]

Hi backbencher

Newmac makes some good points have you had the chance to have a look at this. This is what we must now be doing looking at the facts then we can move forward. If what you say is correct then fair play but lets look and see. This great forum might just be heading somewhere

rs