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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #45 on: November 26, 2009, 07:25:40 PM »
What you on about my little flower this is syvret v ag what thread should it be on...

Look when you see it in the front menu don't click on it but it has nearly 900 views so someone wants to read it....

But hear me now just like sex syvret sells thats right put his name in lights and the people  will enter ok back on it again

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #46 on: November 26, 2009, 07:35:45 PM »
He has about as much sex appeal as a used Durex my friend.
let us see what he is doing in 6 months, apart from trashing the Island and scewing up everyone who lives on it, he no doubt will be a champion of the oppressed minorities in some backwater Labour constituency where he can wreak the most damage.
Are we still paying the twits wages?

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #47 on: November 26, 2009, 07:39:38 PM »
UDGE SHAW:  I don’t think Mr. Morris is asking for an adjournment to follow these points up.
LEGAL ADVISER:   I am not Madam, no.
JUDGE SHAW:  Thank you very much.  Mr. Syvret I don’t have a copy of Sweet and Maxwell may I borrow your copy.  I am going to retire and consider the points you have made.
DEFENDANT:  I would also say that recusal, my recusal application is also based, excuse me I forgot to mention this.
JUDGE SHAW:  Yes.
DEFENDANT:  On the fact that I strongly believe that there are other factors that would evidence my recusal application, which is why I made the disclosure requests I did to the States of Jersey Police Force, and they have refused to comply with those disclosures.  So I am now here before the Court unable to make a properly informed and evidenced fully fleshed out recusal application, because the Police and the Prosecution have denied me substantial tranches of the evidence which may be important to me in making those pleas.
LEGAL ADVISER:   Madam, I just want to reply to that if I may.
JUDGE SHAW:  Well sit down please Mr. Syvret.
LEGAL ADVISER:   The C.J.U. the police, the Prosecution have complied with the Attorney General’s guidelines on case management and disclosure.  Yesterday afternoon Mr. Syvret attended at the Police Station was offered a bundle of disclosure, what we would call Part A, together with a transcript of the interview, he refused to accept it.  However this morning I offered it to him before court and he accepted it.
DEFENDANT:  The material disclosed is inadequate, it is partial, it is not the information I have sought for disclosure, and it’s interesting that the learned Advocate referred to the Attorney General, I could also quote from a speech given by the Attorney General as at D’Heritage 2008, in which he made various references to me and the legal (inter)
JUDGE SHAW:  Well I think Mr. Morris is talking about the guidelines that the Attorney General issued some years ago which govern disclosure in the criminal process and have been abided by for a number of years now, and these were based on the English Case Law, which was decided before there was further legislation in the United Kingdom.  Be that as it may Mr. Syvret what I want to know is you’re saying that there are other pieces of information (inter)
DEFENDANT:  Indeed.
JUDGE SHAW:  You would like, which would be evidence of… which would support your application, is that what you’re saying?
DEFENDANT:  Indeed yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  In general terms would they alter the grounds of your application or are they designed to amplify and give further details.
DEFENDANT:  They would quite possibly alter the terms of my application.
JUDGE SHAW:  How do you know that?
DEFENDANT:  Well I’m not in a position to gauge that and to make that assessment until the evidence is disclosed to me.  The fact is there is this material I have referred to, it exists, for example yesterday I e-mailed expressly the Chief Officer, the acting Chief Officer of the States of Jersey Police Force, and stated to him quite plainly that I required full disclosure of my Operation Blast File.  The reason for that is that there may be material in that that is relevant, structurally relevant to a recusal argument and also evidence in that kind of material which is relevant to further pleas I would make.  To the effect that evidence discovered and used and cited against me has been obtained unlawfully.
JUDGE SHAW:  But then you are getting into the realms of trying the actual case, rather than the recusal.  We need to deal with one thing at a time.
DEFENDANT:  The Operation Blast material could well have material substantially important material then that is relevant, structurally relevant to the recusal application.
JUDGE SHAW:  But this is all on the same grounds that because of the (inter)
DEFENDANT:  Not necessarily (inter)
JUDGE SHAW:  No hear me out, the, what your argument is, is that you cannot be fairly tried in Jersey because of your position as a Senator and because of the criticisms that you have made of the Jersey system generally.
DEFENDANT:  Yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  So that is the thrust of your argument?
DEFENDANT:  That is the thrust of the argument, it is also entirely feasible that there may in fact have been unlawful acts by the police, by the Prosecution Service and possibly even senior members of the Judiciary.
JUDGE SHAW:  But that’s not something that you actually know about.
DEFENDANT:  It’s not something I’m in a position to know about because the relevant information data has not been disclosed to me, and it’s been expressly refused.
JUDGE SHAW:  I understand the grounds of your application.  Thank you very much.
DEFENDANT:  I am unable to make the application to the extent and effectiveness that I would wish without the information.
JUDGE SHAW:  I understand what you are saying. Anything else Mr. Morris?
LEGAL ADVISER:   No Madam.
   Court adjourned then briget shaw summed up you can find further back in the thread


DEFENDANT:   I certainly wish to appeal the matter to the Royal Court and why should seeking to use the court’s in this matter risk an abuse of process prosecution (inter)
JUDGE SHAW:  No, it’s against you, what I’m saying is that the Court has power to stop a prosecution if the Court feels the Prosecution have acted wrongly.  That is a safeguard for you, it’s not something that would be held against you, it’s something that would be exercised in your favour.
DEFENDANT:  Okay.
JUDGE SHAW:  Do you understand?
DEFENDANT:  Well yes, yes and I wish to appeal.
JUDGE SHAW:  Very well, did you wish an adjournment of this case in order to take the case… my decision for judicial review?
DEFENDANT:  Yes I do, yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  Very good, Greffier. …  …  The listing of that matter Mr. Syvret would be in the hands of the Royal Court and therefore without knowledge of when the Royal Court could deal with this matter, I propose to adjourn the case for a period of four weeks.
LEGAL ADVISER:  The 16th of July Madam.
JUDGE SHAW:  That’s the 16th of July.  That would be a hearing here at ten o’clock, there are no conditions relevant are there Centenier?
CENTENIER ANDREWS:  No Madam.
LEGAL ADVISER:  No.
JUDGE SHAW:  There are no conditions attached to your bail, simply that you are released from this court with a duty to attend on the 16th of July at nine thirty for a ten o’clock hearing.
DEFENDANT:  And that will be again in this court room?
JUDGE SHAW:  Yes.  We normally sit in Court 2. Mr. Syvret but the Royal Court I believe will still be using Court 2. so this would be…
DEFENDANT:  And that appeal will be heard by which arrangement of judges?
JUDGE SHAW:  I don’t know, you must make your application to the Royal Court and they will determine how they (indistinct) the matter.
DEFENDANT:  And do I have to make a physical further application or is merely what I have said here today that I wish to appeal, is that sufficient notice?
JUDGE SHAW:  I think you would have to lodge notice.
LEGAL ADVISER:  I would suggest that Mr. Syvret speaks with the Judicial Greffier or the Deputy Judicial Greffier Madam.
JUDGE SHAW:  They will advise you as to how to proceed.  Thank you very much Mr. Syvret, you may leave.  Oh I apologise, thank you for your Sweet and Maxwell.

That is the end of day 1

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #48 on: November 26, 2009, 08:10:47 PM »

By Andy Sibcy


Senator Stuart Syvret.
A UK judge has rejected claims by Senator Stuart Syvret that he cannot receive a fair trial in Jersey.

Commissioner Sir Richard Tucker has described the Senator’s attempt to have his traffic offences case heard by English courts as ‘frivolous and fanciful’.

And he ordered Senator Syvret to pay the Attorney General’s costs for the hearing, rejecting his submissions that he had ‘no means’ and that making him pay costs was not in the public interest. It is not known how much Senator Syvret will have to pay.

Sir Richard’s published judgment concerns applications by Senator Syvret for both the Magistrate and the Commissioner to recuse themselves – withdraw – from the case on account of the allegation that they are biased against the defendant, Senator Syvret.

He is charged with two minor Motor Traffic Law offences which would normally be heard in the Magistrate’s Court only, but he has argued that he cannot get a fair hearing from any judge or magistrate appointed by the Bailiff.


just a little from his royal court hearing

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #49 on: November 27, 2009, 04:07:08 AM »
He was but the rumour is that he dropped Mr Syvret because at first he thought it was good publicity for him and the firm but then it appeared that it was not good publicity as he does not have as many supporters as some people would like you to believe.  I am surprised people are still talking about him on here though because elsewhere it looks like he has already been discarded.

I thought the look of puzzlement on Sinel's face when he was interviewed outside court following an appearance of Syvret said it all. His comments reinforced that. Clearly not in his comfort zone.

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #50 on: November 27, 2009, 05:43:03 AM »
There was a guy who was sleeping with a member of his staff who was told that syvret had been dropped.  Sinel is always up for a challenge and he is one of the best lawyers around but syvret had got in so deep he was effectively outside the scope of even the best of lawyers to be dug out.  I thought it was hilarious when syvret then went onto his blog pleading with people for free legal advice, you know, "hi everyone! I have just got myself into a right mess with the law and my lawyer has dumped me so can somebody tell me how to get out of this mess caused by all my own stupid mistakes?"  Then when he did a runner to John Humming somebody said "oh how clever you are stuart you brave man". PMSL

Still at least Mr Sorda and VFC carry on playing virtual court room in his favour which is funny at times.
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #51 on: November 27, 2009, 02:35:06 PM »
There was a guy who was sleeping with a member of his staff who was told that syvret had been dropped.  

Then when he did a runner to John Humming somebody said "oh how clever you are stuart you brave man".


Well, well Backbencher you have so, so many well informed friends in such high places. Information based on pillow talk is not very credible is it, and I would suspect Mr Sinel would be interrogating his staff to find out which one of them has been discussing what I would imagine to be confidential office information between the sheets!

Who the hell is John HUMMing by the way - does he have BO or is he a DBB?
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #52 on: November 27, 2009, 06:24:26 PM »
There was a guy who was sleeping with a member of his staff who was told that syvret had been dropped.  

Then when he did a runner to John Humming somebody said "oh how clever you are stuart you brave man".


Well, well Backbencher you have so, so many well informed friends in such high places. Information based on pillow talk is not very credible is it, and I would suspect Mr Sinel would be interrogating his staff to find out which one of them has been discussing what I would imagine to be confidential office information between the sheets!

Who the hell is John HUMMing by the way - does he have BO or is he a DBB?

Who the hell is a GEEGEE and why does she think she has more rights than a DBB and can she confirm she does not have BO? Pathetic! quite honestly I find it astounding that those with most to say about civil rights , appear the most hell bent upon denying other people opnions. "Judge not less ye be judged"

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #53 on: November 27, 2009, 08:24:25 PM »
 Sinel is always up for a challenge and he is one of the best lawyers around

Yeah he's a legend in his own dinner time !
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #54 on: November 27, 2009, 08:34:40 PM »
Yeah he's a legend in his own dinner time !

Going by his size his dinner time must be fairly big  ;D so is he a leg end

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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #55 on: November 28, 2009, 09:13:47 AM »
Look if this is pissing anyone off then tuff you don't have to logon and read it.. A politician is in exile saying he cant get a fair trial if we don't look at the trial how the feck do we know...
 


16th July 2009

IN THE PROSECUTION AGAINST:

Stuart Syvret


CENTENIER ANDREWS:  Stuart Syvret.
ADV BAKER:  Madam, I represent the Prosecution and Mr. Syvret is represented in person.
JUDGE SHAW:  Thank you very much Mr. Baker.
ADV BAKER:  Madam, Mr. Syvret appears before the Court today in relation to certain road traffic matters, and also data protection matters.
JUDGE SHAW:  Would you take a seat please Mr. Syvret.
DEFENDANT:  I am accessing my documents.
JUDGE SHAW:  Well just one moment please Mr. Baker while Mr. Syvret sorts himself out.
ADV BAKER:  Madam, this road traffic case last appeared before the Court on the 18th June of this year, when there was an application that you recuse yourself.  You rejected that application giving your reasons the same day.  There is an application that you stated case in respect of that recusal.  Madam, you should have received a bundle from the Prosecution earlier this week setting out the Prosecution views to the Law on this matter, which in my submission is clear that you in fact have no jurisdiction to state a case, and that this matter should proceed to trial in the ordinary way, and it’s my submission that that’s the first matter that you should deal with today.
JUDGE SHAW:  Thank you.  Mr. Syvret the Prosecution say that the application that you made on the last occasion, the application that I should not sit cannot go to the Royal Court at this stage.  It could go to the Royal Court at the end of any trial that would be held.  The Prosecution, I don’t know if they’ve… I imagine you’ve served the same documents on Mr. Syvret?
ADV BAKER:  Yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  Have you seen the bundle served by Mr. Baker?
DEFENDANT:  I have yes I couldn’t claim to say I fully understand it, although I’m not a lawyer.
JUDGE SHAW:  Yes, well what do you want to say to me about that.
DEFENDANT:  Well if the Prosecution contention is correct, that as a matter of Law you cannot state a case, then it will be subsequently appealed to the Royal Court in the fullness of time.
JUDGE SHAW:  Well the question is, is the appeal now or is the appeal in the fullness of time?
DEFENDANT:  Well as far as I’m concerned I would make the appeal now.
JUDGE SHAW:  Thank you very much.  The case which Mr. Baker cites is a Divisional Court case from the United Kingdom, which is saying that on a proper construction of the Law, when the Law is worded the same here as in the U.K. then it is proper to deal with the stated case at the end of the proceedings.  Do you understand the issue?
DEFENDANT:  Not entirely no.JUDGE SHAW:  The question is, is it permissible for the case to be stated and considered by the Royal Court at an early stage or in the Magistrate’s Court do we have to wait to the end of the trial for all matters effectively to be dealt with together at the end of the trial.  Mr. Baker is asking me to rule that the case must be dealt with, your appeal must be dealt with at the end of any Magistrate’s Court trial, not at an early stage.  That’s what you are stating Mr. Baker
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #56 on: November 28, 2009, 10:55:48 AM »
ADV BAKER:  Yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  Do you have any submissions on that?
DEFENDANT:  Well my submission would be that my views as expressed during the recusal application remain today as they were then.  And as far as the inability of any component of the Jersey Judicial apparatus to meet the test of the appearance of objectivity and to avoid any suspicion that a reasonable person might develop of a possibility of bias or conflict of interest by the apparatus.
JUDGE SHAW:  That matter could be raised on appeal at the end of the trial, what Mr. Baker is saying is it shouldn’t be dealt with at a preliminary stage.  Mr. Baker I have read the case and I know that it is practice in the United Kingdom not to deal with interlocutory matters on appeal from the Magistrate’s Court at an early stage.  This is a Divisional Court hearing ruling which I’m not aware has been applied in Jersey.
ADV BAKER:  That’s correct.
JUDGE SHAW:  And therefore it’s up to me whether I follow this or not today.
ADV BAKER:  Yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  Today my view is that, I have actually given the Royal Court my reasons, the Law does not prevent me from doing so, it says… the Law says as stated in the Statute that the appeal can be against any decision of the Magistrate’s Court.  It’s my view that it’s for the Royal Court to decide when they wish to hear that application.  I don’t intend to stay these proceedings for the Royal Court to hear the case stated.  I am going to leave it as a matter for them as to whether they wish to hear that case stated at an early stage or whether they wish to hear it at the end of the trial.
ADV BAKER:  Have you stated the case?
JUDGE SHAW:  I have actually sent a stated case to the Royal Court, that was before I’d heard from you on this matter, so in de facto the matter has already been referred to the Royal Court.  So I believe the position I’m in now is having seen the guidance from the Divisional Court I now must leave it to the Royal Court to decide whether they wish to determine this matter at this stage, or whether they would determine the matter at the conclusion of these proceedings.  In the meantime pending any indication from the Royal Court I do not intend to stay proceedings in this court.  I intend to proceed, fix a trial date and proceed to trial unless in the meantime the Royal Court decides to sit on this matter and determine that I should not sit.
ADV BAKER:  Yes Madam, understood.  Can we then (inter)
JUDGE SHAW:  Just to explain that to Mr. Syvret.  In response to your application Mr. Syvret I have actually given my reasons for my decision already to the Royal Court.  It is a matter for them whether they wish to deal with this matter now or whether they wish to follow the directions of… the rulings rather of the Divisional Court in England and delay this matter for determination until the end of the trial on the road traffic matters.  So in the meantime what I intend to do is proceed with the road traffic matters.  If the Royal Court intervenes at some point and says that they are dealing with the recusal application and I shouldn’t sit, then we would have to start again with another Magistrate.  Do you understand?
DEFENDANT:  Yes.
JUDGE SHAW:  Very good.  So as far as the road traffic is concerned Mr. Baker do you wish to continue to deal with directions in that matter?
ADV BAKER:  If that pleases the Court.
JUDGE SHAW:  Thank you, will you sit for the moment Mr. Syvret.
ADV BAKER:  Madam, there are two charges in relation to the Road Traffic.  1. Driving without a licence for the period of approximately 3 years and 2. Failure to notify a change of address.  It’s not clear what the issues on the facts are, it appears that Mr. Syvret accepts both that he didn’t have a driving licence and that he was driving the motor vehicle.  In the… the Crown would propose to call certain police officers and Parish Hall officials in order to prove that Mr. Syvret was driving.  I can give the Court the name of those witnesses if the Court wishes (inter)
JUDGE SHAW:  I just need to know the number, how many witnesses (inter)
ADV BAKER:  Six witnesses.
JUDGE SHAW:  Six Prosecution witnesses, and this is in the absence of any formal admissions or Article 9 statements.
ADV BAKER:  That’s right, in the absence of admissions that Mr. Syvret was driving but he didn’t have a licence then I have to call the witnesses.
JUDGE SHAW:  Yes, but if admissions were to be made we could cut down that number.
ADV BAKER:  To nil.  Madam, there will be one further witness statement, it will be from one of the witnesses that we’ve already served, it will be an additional statement, she’ll tidy up one issue.  The length of trial on the merit should not be more than a couple of hours I wouldn’t have thought.
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #57 on: November 28, 2009, 02:01:46 PM »
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Re: Senator stuart syvret v AG
« Reply #58 on: November 28, 2009, 02:45:39 PM »
Rico’s extracts actually show how fair Magistrate Shaw was even though she was dealing with someone who is verging on fill blown autism and has a Messiah complex to boot.

I was once just annoyed with the supercilious little martinet but now I have sympathy as he needs some psychological help but since he managed to insult and verbally bully one of the leading Psychologists in Jersey at one of the meetings for those who allege that they were abused so he should perhaps get this help on the NHS.

One fly in the ointment is that he cannot get that at present however because of the end to the Reciprocal Health Agreement with the UK.

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« Reply #59 on: November 28, 2009, 05:23:52 PM »
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Rico, go and demand £10.00 everytime they use that goon show.