Report due out today condems Syvret's Blog

[rogueelement]

Is there no life belt you would not cling to in defence of your interminable stupididty?
Jeez , BB you really need to get out and about a bit , I fear you have fox mulder syndrome (Mad as a march hare) still with April 1st rapidly approaching i look forward to your further contributions , please keep them in the relevant section , jokes and other humourous stories.
what a freakin muppet.

[tonytheprof]

Can anyone tell me where the Chapman report is?

The link now gets nowhere.

[Rob Kent]

Seems to have disappeared... That's odd.

[rogueelement]

I fear you may have suffered a computer virus , sometimes called Eyedtent ,suggest you check it out !
The short version is : ID10T

[Rob Kent]

Tony, regardless of Andy Hurley's abusive reply, http://www.gov.je/NR/rdonlyres/B3D87D41-B448-4E47-A5F1-2F83699C7E18/0/ChapmanReportNovember2009.pdf gives a 404. So the report has been moved or removed. I notice that someone posted a link to a copy of it on Rico's blog.

[tonytheprof]

Yes, that's it, thanks.

I would agree that Chapman has a point that employees are soft targets of Stuart's blog; I totally agree with many of his strictures, and I've made them myself from time to time before Chapman was published.

But he should allow for the fact, though, that when talking about politicians, sometimes the language can be rougher. This is an omission, albeit a minor one.

In the UK, the speaker was recently called a  "stupid, sanctimonious dwarf"" by a minister, no less.

Disraeli referred to a fellow politician as having "the crabbed malice of a maundering witch"

Churchill called Ramsay Macdonald "the boneless wonder" (after a wonderful preamble in which he said his parents had kept him away from this horror at circuses, but now he saw it on the front bench opposite)

Vince Cable said Gordon Brown had gone from Stalin to Mr Bean.

And Tony Banks said Maggie T. had ""the sensitivity of a sex-starved boa constrictor"

We are not too far from Bangkok Pimp territory here - but these were to other politicians, and I suppose, stretching a point, the Bailiff could be considered the equivalent of the Speaker.

[Rob Kent]

Yes, I also remember a commenter from the US saying that it was tame by US standards, which it is. Also by Australian standards. Well, all that is history now.

[tonytheprof]

Actually, also contra Chapman, I think incompetent would be a fair accusation to lay against some of the civil service / political apparatus, although not in a blanket way.

The dismissal of Simon Bellwood - to be strictly accurate, not the grounds, mind you, but the way it had been done - was criticised in an official report as mishandled and not following correct procedure. The Verita report was critical of the handling of John Day's suspension. And the debacle over the Euro exchange range was clear incompetence - if the Treasury did not know enough, they should have got outside expertise.

Some of the blame must be laid at Ministers, although one wonders whether advice was given by senior civil servants, for example, when Guy de Faye decided to arrange the end of Victoria Avenue with no consultation with emergency services.

[Calimachon]

Yes, I also remember a commenter from the US saying that it was tame by US standards, which it is. Also by Australian standards. Well, all that is history now.

When I was in a group having a guided tour of the Palace of Westminster, one of our group asked the guide (who had a long association with the Palace of Westminster) why politicians were allowed to name call in the house.  The guide announced, with great pride, that it was extremely important that politicians could feel free to say what they liked and if they feel strongly about an issue they should be able to describe exactly how they feel.

There is no place in parliament for niceties, it is a place for straight talking.  I am sure if a member were to misuse this freedom of speech the rest of the house would swiftly find a way to put him/her in his/her place without the need for the Speaker to be involved.

Cali  

[ageofaquarius]

Yes, that's it, thanks.

I would agree that Chapman has a point that employees are soft targets of Stuart's blog; I totally agree with many of his strictures, and I've made them myself from time to time before Chapman was published.

But he should allow for the fact, though, that when talking about politicians, sometimes the language can be rougher. This is an omission, albeit a minor one.

In the UK, the speaker was recently called a  "stupid, sanctimonious dwarf"" by a minister, no less.

Disraeli referred to a fellow politician as having "the crabbed malice of a maundering witch"

Churchill called Ramsay Macdonald "the boneless wonder" (after a wonderful preamble in which he said his parents had kept him away from this horror at circuses, but now he saw it on the front bench opposite)

Vince Cable said Gordon Brown had gone from Stalin to Mr Bean.

And Tony Banks said Maggie T. had ""the sensitivity of a sex-starved boa constrictor"

We are not too far from Bangkok Pimp territory here - but these were to other politicians, and I suppose, stretching a point, the Bailiff could be considered the equivalent of the Speaker.

Thanks for bringing this to the table, love the boa constrictor metaphor.