Archive access and New Terms Coming

[David Rotherham]

Since the early weeks of Planet Jersey I have posted under the terms and conditions that applied at the time of posting. Far from demanding assignment of copyright, PJ has insisted that posters remain fully responsible for their material. I submitted material because I wanted it to be publicly available, not for the financial gain of the site's proprietors. As copyright holder in those posts, I expressly forbid you to restrict their viewing to paying charter members only. You do have my permission to continue making them freely available for public view. You do not need my permission to excise them totally, including pastings in other users' posts, from both public and private view.

[rogueelement]

David , I have read most of your posts , do you actually think any secular arm of PJ would be remotely interested in keeping them to themselves?
Admin........Better idea , remove all of the posts of this whineing knob to avoid litigation.
What a cretin, I suspect he will be standing as a deputy some time soon. Knoballiance.

[David Rotherham]

No, I don't suppose anyone is particularly interested in keeping my comments to themselves. It is more the [lack of] principle that irritates me. And it is every user's copyright they intend to start abusing, not only mine.
I have read more than I want of your posts, too, so we are quits. I certainly don't plan to become a paying member of this forum just to get your trolling for my money.

[Dylan]

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[rogueelement]

No, I don't suppose anyone is particularly interested in keeping my comments to themselves. It is more the [lack of] principle that irritates me. And it is every user's copyright they intend to start abusing, not only mine.
I have read more than I want of your posts, too, so we are quits. I certainly don't plan to become a paying member of this forum just to get your trolling for my money.

The question you must ask yourself David is this, once you have written to a website , do you own the copyright or do they ?
In my view , admittedly, not so humble as most , your scribbling has been given over to the owner of the site and he may do whatever he wishes to do with it; he could bin it , enshrine it, ridicule it, or even pass it on the police if he thought it was worthy of their attention.That's the Internet for you , still a playground and the rules have not even be set.

[David Rotherham]

From PJ's T&C:-
"Copyright
You agree not to post any copyrighted material unless you own the copyright on that material. You remain solely responsible for the content of your messages, and you agree to indemnify and hold us harmless with respect to any claim based upon transmission of your message(s)."
I think the default legal position is that copyright remains with the author unless formally assigned, and submission to a website merely grants free licence to publish it.

[rogueelement]

Well you could think that , then again you could think the opposite. the term you refer to details that you should not infringe any one else s' copyright and that you would be held liable if you did.
So in my ever so humble opinion , what you have posted ,remains the copyright of the site owner not the author , which is a bit of a bugger since my new book ,"trout fishing , worms , flies and and everything" was going to be based on previous postings by me.

[danrok]

This is from the terms on my forum...

By posting or uploading content to AOA Forums, you acknowledge and agree that such content becomes the property of AOA Forums, to be used and managed as we see fit. You further stipulate that you have the right to post or upload such content, as understood under the Berne Convention and the Copyright Laws of the United States. (Basically, you are saying that you are the owner/creator of the content, or that you have the permission of the owner/creator, or that it is permitted under 'Fair Use' doctrine.)

We found that we HAVE TO take ownership of members posts, otherwise we would be at risk of breaking the law, even when carrying out necessary admin tasks such as backing-up data, moving to a new server, or in the event of transferring ownership of the website to someone else.

As for charging for access to archives, I've never seen this work out anywhere else, and wouldn't go down that road.  More trouble than it is worth, IMO.

[rogueelement]

Thanks for that Danrok, Is the AOA forum something we should be suspicious of?
Anyway rotheram ,,,,,,,,,told ya ! nanaanananaa! knob.

[admin]

Those supporting the cost of the forum by becoming a charter member are helping all other members. As such certain privileges are given one of which is access to the archive area which no-one has noticed before as users do not see it. The archive was first added around 8 months after PJ Started and contains closed discussions (those not replied to after 6 months) and closed stories such as the 2008 elections. No-one is losing any functionality by remaining as just a normal member as you will have exactly the same access as you always have had. The difference is that Charter Members and Supporting Members will have access to areas or options that normally are not given out in return for their assistance in supporting the cost of the forum.

[Dylan]

Huzzah!

My Christmas speech is saved in the PJ time capsule!

btw why dont you guys get the site hosted in Idaho by Ipower.com?
This costs 3/16 of bugger all and like gst, nothing to pass  on to the end user!

[Fritz]

How much does it actually cost to run an online messageboard?

[David Rotherham]

It was about £70 a year a couple of years ago. So, say 10 Charter members chip in £50 a year each, that's a couple of jet fares for the site owner covered.

[admin]

How much does it actually cost to run an online messageboard?

Normally not too much. We had run at only 10 bucks a month for over a year. The issues came when we started to get blocked by a local service provider, on checking, there was ONCE one of the IP addresses which we shared with hundreds of others, a bad apple in the pack who had got the IP address on the naughty list. The option then was to move to another supplier with fewer people sharing the same IP address, this of course puts the cost up, though not by much, but again, another bad apple in this bunch had 6 months previously been on the naughtl list and we had to look at an option that would ensure that PJ could never be on a list.

In order to do this we got our own server (albeit not a real one, just a virtual server) and we purchased from a reputable company after checking out their listed IP's and how often if at all they had been blocked. So PJ is now the only site on its very own IP address and has no email server switched on. This means that it should not ever be blocked by any local service providers, but as you will read on the front page it is still happening and JCRA have been informed of our inability to be viewed through certain suppliers even after all these changes and the costs that have been incured to provide them.

I know that there is no Issue with SURE and they are the fastest and cheapest supplier in Jersey at this moment but I won't mention who I do have problems with.  Even on the mobile phone network connections, I had to recently move away from Airtel as I could not access PJ on my phone, but as you may know, Airtel do not have a link to the internet themselves and use a supplier here on the Island. Part of the check I did with SURE was to ensure before I signed that I could access the site.

and yes £70 is fine a year, but you will run the risk of being blacklisted from someone elses wrongdoings, with some ISP's any excuse will do. I believe that we have done everything in our power to ensure that we provide a service available at all times and that cannot be blacklisted. David, if I did have 10 charter members paying £50 a year, I would still be forking out £220 a year from my own pocket as that is the price I am having to pay to ensure we have this system on its own server and own IP address from a reputable company, but hey, keep complaining about the fact that I have set up a charter status to help payments, I am sure you do your bit for the community somewhere.

[jackoneill]

Normally not too much. We had run at only 10 bucks a month for over a year. The issues came when we started to get blocked by a local service provider, on checking, there was ONCE one of the IP addresses which we shared with hundreds of others, a bad apple in the pack who had got the IP address on the naughty list. The option then was to move to another supplier with fewer people sharing the same IP address, this of course puts the cost up, though not by much, but again, another bad apple in this bunch had 6 months previously been on the naughtl list and we had to look at an option that would ensure that PJ could never be on a list.

In order to do this we got our own server (albeit not a real one, just a virtual server) and we purchased from a reputable company after checking out their listed IP's and how often if at all they had been blocked. So PJ is now the only site on its very own IP address and has no email server switched on. This means that it should not ever be blocked by any local service providers, but as you will read on the front page it is still happening and JCRA have been informed of our inability to be viewed through certain suppliers even after all these changes and the costs that have been incured to provide them.

I know that there is no Issue with SURE and they are the fastest and cheapest supplier in Jersey at this moment but I won't mention who I do have problems with.  Even on the mobile phone network connections, I had to recently move away from Airtel as I could not access PJ on my phone, but as you may know, Airtel do not have a link to the internet themselves and use a supplier here on the Island. Part of the check I did with SURE was to ensure before I signed that I could access the site.

and yes £70 is fine a year, but you will run the risk of being blacklisted from someone elses wrongdoings, with some ISP's any excuse will do. I believe that we have done everything in our power to ensure that we provide a service available at all times and that cannot be blacklisted. David, if I did have 10 charter members paying £50 a year, I would still be forking out £220 a year from my own pocket as that is the price I am having to pay to ensure we have this system on its own server and own IP address from a reputable company, but hey, keep complaining about the fact that I have set up a charter status to help payments, I am sure you do your bit for the community somewhere.

Hate to sound paranoid admin as I'd love to be a charter member but would rather keep my personal and professional life apart. Is there anyway I could pay you by Postal Order or something? I don't know if you're allowed to send cash in the post any more... All I know is that Paypal includes your name and address.

Jack