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Offline Jane W

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #15 on: March 28, 2008, 07:38:18 PM »
No....... : :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) :) Etc.

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #16 on: March 28, 2008, 07:40:14 PM »
I know, I have split away from a few in my time and you couldn't even pay me to go back there!

Offline Jane W

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #17 on: March 28, 2008, 07:42:21 PM »
Think we may have strayed off the point here. ? They weren't ALL wives were they?

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #18 on: March 28, 2008, 08:00:01 PM »
Well they may as well have been!

Offline Jane W

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #19 on: March 28, 2008, 08:20:12 PM »
You must be well skint!

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #20 on: March 28, 2008, 08:27:25 PM »
All my life...... lol.

Retirement?  Is that when dreams come true  ???

Offline Jane W

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #21 on: March 28, 2008, 08:30:09 PM »
Probably depends on whether or not you have a private pension to go with the States one. Otherwise ......

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #22 on: March 28, 2008, 08:32:49 PM »
Maybe I will have to do a failed bank robbery just in time to get put inside and have 3 meals a day, free medical attention and a warm bed !

Offline Jane W

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #23 on: March 28, 2008, 08:34:39 PM »
Sounds good to me. I always wanted to drive a getaway car. Let me know when. ;)

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #24 on: March 28, 2008, 08:35:16 PM »
See! Never despair!

Offline boatyboy

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #25 on: May 22, 2008, 09:38:46 AM »
An interesting topic retirement, because it will affect all working  people. I met a very pleasant Government top civil servant on a train and we discussed the subject. He told me that the Government was fully aware that the accepted system being  younger people need to work in order to pay social security and their taxes to keep the old, is a load of outdated rubbish. A fundamentally flawed system, as he put it.

The formula is simple as to why it does not work, to put in simply its a giant ponzi scheme and will be the down fall of civilisation. Sounds rather heavy but true. Want to know why? Lets assume it takes ten good workers to provide for the needs of a senior citizen. It could take one high earner, but please bear with me. So ten workers provide a portion of the pension, medical care, old peoples home, public transport ok.   

Take Jersey population around 90,000 of which 46,000 work. So in time 46,000 retire and will need 10 workers each to achieve looking after them.

So there are now 460,000 workers on Jersey plus 46,000 retired people, not including children
A total of around 520,00 + on 48 square miles and growing. It will be the same the world over.

Its an interesting fact that 1870 was the year that 65 became the norm for retirement, and we are aware that we live much longer. The carbon issue, recycle issue, green issues so loved by politicians adopted by families is a good step forward. Also a smoke screen.

What scares me most is an article I read by the guru demographer (sorry name escapes me). He stated that all that matters in the future as the population continues to rise, will be the trade between countries of food, clean water. 

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If the population problem is not addressed these will become the only items large populations of impoverished poor people will care about; Starving people will attack their Governments and destabilise civilisation as we know it.

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Should the Governments who are leaving the retired people short of money, pay couples (or unmarried mothers) to have babies ? The fact is there are 75 MILLION new mouths to feed every year and rising.

Unless this very serious issue is addressed, what state will the earth be in the very near future ?

Is the problem based on Governments pandering to corporations, who need to sell more to expand ? The more customers the better, buying houses, cars, utilities, we must go for growth they tell us ? 

Are we not supposed to be building a better future? unless we start looking at the population problem seriously the human race is heading in one direction and its the wrong direction.

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Offline danrok

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #26 on: May 22, 2008, 10:00:35 AM »
Take Jersey population around 90,000 of which 46,000 work. So in time 46,000 retire and will need 10 workers each to achieve looking after them.

So there are now 460,000 workers on Jersey plus 46,000 retired people, not including children
A total of around 520,00 + on 48 square miles and growing. It will be the same the world over.

The maths is far too simplistic, and does not represent the reality.

If 46,000 are working right now, how many of the non-workers are retired? For arguments sake let's say there are 10,000 retired people. So, where are the 100,000 workers who are supporting them?

When you retire, the state will not lay on all your requirements unless you have nothing.  So, anyone who needs to live in a retirement home will have to pay for it their self, e.g. by selling their home. Only once a person is officially poor and penniless will the state pick up the care bills.

Also, all of those 46,000 presently working won't be retiring on the same day!

Offline boatyboy

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #27 on: May 22, 2008, 10:09:49 AM »
The maths is far too simplistic, and does not represent the reality.

If 46,000 are working right now, how many of the non-workers are retired? For arguments sake let's say there are 10,000 retired people. So, where are the 100,000 workers who are supporting them?

When you retire, the state will not lay on all your requirements unless you have nothing.  So, anyone who needs to live in a retirement home will have to pay for it their self, e.g. by selling their home. Only once a person is officially poor and penniless will the state pick up the care bills.

Also, all of those 46,000 presently working won't be retiring on the same day!

Offline boatyboy

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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #28 on: May 22, 2008, 10:36:48 AM »
 danrok you are right the maths are very simplistic and not particularly accurate, this is meant, that’s why I used the word assume.To get the point over. England 385 people per sq mile would differ from Jersey 2,000 people per sq mile, as would other parts of the world. So the figures will always be geographically sensitive.

Also you ask about the retired of Jersey? How many of them will be ex public servants, or farmers who have sold their properties. Incidentally the Jersey pension fund is £500 million in the red for the public sector. We need more workers maybe ?

Further more I agree, people will, and are having to sell their homes before help is given by the Government, what small percentage of the population own property. Lets add another few years or decades if you like. It makes no difference to the sustainability argument as written. To live the life style will live now the world could comfortable sustain 1 billion people. There are actually 6 billion on earth as I type this.
Unless the Governments start taking the population problem seriously, the human race is heading in one direction and its still the wrong direction. 
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Re: Support to raise retirement age
« Reply #29 on: July 05, 2008, 12:23:05 PM »
For the life of me in this small backwater of the world (as pleasant as it may be). I find it truly strange that policeman, fireman, and those that work for the ambulance service can retire at 50. This is not to say that these same people are not true professionals and excellent at their chosen work. Health and Safety has also taken most of the risk out of their work, unlike being a soldier. This is about very early retirement, when the Government is seriously considering making the rest of us work longer to 70 years of age.

Does the keen worker whether in an office, or a busy counter in a retail bank or shop, suffer less stress and tiredness, after a busy week, than the above trades? Is this not also discrimination? one workplace over another ? one leaves at 50 the other has to work another 15 years possible 20 In my opinion this practise is expensive, unfair to the rest of the working population,and well past its sell by date.
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