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« Reply #15 on: February 06, 2010, 01:50:33 PM »
I take your point about recall Mark but is it workable?  So few members have votes, let alone majorities, in excess of 3 figures as the majority don't bother to vote or some are returned unopposed. I can see a case in perhaps something like the JDA2 or the Missing Member but of course Standing Orders and the Code of Conduct are such toothless tools (voted for by States Members only - how about that?!) and need root and branch reform and toughening up.  You'd need a substantial number of the voters in each district/parish to sign up the recall papers, probably more than voted for the jokers in the first place!


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« Reply #16 on: February 06, 2010, 02:40:42 PM »
I take your point about recall Mark but is it workable?  So few members have votes, let alone majorities, in excess of 3 figures as the majority don't bother to vote or some are returned unopposed. I can see a case in perhaps something like the JDA2 or the Missing Member but of course Standing Orders and the Code of Conduct are such toothless tools (voted for by States Members only - how about that?!) and need root and branch reform and toughening up.  You'd need a substantial number of the voters in each district/parish to sign up the recall papers, probably more than voted for the jokers in the first place!


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Good question Ruddler. Recall cannot be too easy or you would have unstable government. 19,000 signatures against introduction of GST is more than any currently elected Senator achieved.  So I would say, yes when the issue is big enough you could get it to work. It all depends on the detailed mechanics. Personally I would also go for having one third or perhaps one quarter, of the members elected each year, for the appropriate 3/4 year term. That way there is always a quota in the house coming up for re-election and keeping the electors' views in mind.  The way we are headed at the moment we will have a general election every four years, which means 3 years of unrestrained government followed by a year of tarting things up to look good for the electors.

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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #17 on: February 06, 2010, 11:27:56 PM »
Thanks for that Mark, so we can look forward to 'the year of the tarts'

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« Reply #18 on: February 07, 2010, 07:34:50 AM »
Thanks for that Mark, so we can look forward to 'the year of the tarts'
I'm not too well up on Chinese astrology- I know there are years of the rats and of the serpents, to I guess year of the tarts is possible  ;)
I think the game is already afoot. Look at the recent question to and reply from the Comptroller & Auditor General about future GST rates. All carefully worded to put it beyond the next States elections.  I have no doubts we shall see candidates seeking re-election proclaiming very loudly they have kept GST down to 3%, and have no plans to change it etc etc. Of course once they have the magic votes in the bag and have their electoral mandate it will all be just as the Comptroller & Auditor General said.

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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #19 on: February 07, 2010, 06:28:50 PM »
I'm with you here bar some points of division.

Opening up the purchasing powers of J's is as useful as arranging a Pinjada full of condoms at a lesbian convention. The anticipation at the point of moment would be as depressing as the result, probably causing a class prescription demand of trydixagane at our woeful General.

The real problem Terry has, as I see it is more relative to the European Convention on Human rights. Such is the cluster of curate's eggs.

Curate's Egg 1:-

The majority of the rights protected by the European Convention on Human Rights are not absolute.

Most rights are qualified, which means that interference with a right is permitted where that is in accordance with the law, such as our Housing Law, 1949.
The requirements of which are that it requires every person wishing to purchase or lease land and property to have the prior consent of the Housing Minister, and stringently defines the ability to qualify for such a consent; either by virtue of a period of residence, or due to hardship, essential employment, or wealth.

Without this consent, a person wishing to live in Jersey is restricted to lodging accommodation. This law is tailored to a certain specified aim, and/or necessary to protect the rights and freedoms of others.
Yet the two are not synchronic. For example, it is sometimes necessary to balance the right of the media to freedom of expression with the right of individuals to respect for their private life.

Many areas of Government policy involve making these difficult decisions on a daily basis. It is also possible for a States Minister to make reservations to some rights or to derogate from some articles of the convention in times of emergency. However, the UK currently has no derogations to the convention. Nor does Jersey, but we do have an acknowledged "nod" to the Bill in the event of being pulled over by some zealous legalite who spots the flaw. i.e. while we are showing willing in putting our house in order, no one will bother us, the problem is how far do we go and how much do we hang on to.

Curate's egg #2:-

To drop the quallies altogether creates synergy with European convention and allows a freer market. If House prices Rocket, it will not be because of buyers flooding the market to pay Chris Swinson's 16% GST plus shipping plus inflated margins on products. The knock-on effect will generate much higher wage/salary requirements and the economy would in the short term have been given the "clotbusting" injection it needs. Where does this lead? The answer always lies in the longer term with rampant inflation. Our system is certainly not geared to cope with this, especially with our  monetarists fiscally paralysed and searching braille cards for answers. Unfortunately this is no different to devaluation on a grand scale. Notwithstanding this, there are other tow-rope effects which this will precipitate, Enoch Powell's water tower speech of 1961 springs closely to mind. (http://studymore.org.uk/xpowell.htm).

Curate's egg #3:-

Outside the Housing sector, SOJ has prided itself with the acquisition through multiple means, of all different types of properties, over many years. A lot of these properties historically have been bartered between departments for grand schemes, some of which as we know have been the subject of endless debate in the House. As with a collector, paralysed by financial downturn, the SOJ continue to rampantly add and improve bits of the estate, employing local who subcontract to outsiders. There is no social mores in the structure of how this happens, it just does. Once again, the relevance of this is only that it is major part of the generic infrastructure of our society. So much that it bounces back to housing. Who will employ all these people? who will they employ? what demands will they put on the seams of our economy etc.

With regard to the well spotted Inheritance Tax problem, there are many people whom have taken their business away from Jersey, to Gib, Switzerland and other jurisdictions and have skated round the edge of the bowl to a solution. It takes a lot to move your entire family away from their friends and associates as well as your own, to start up again in a place where you are not known. Believe me when I tell you because this is what my parents did and it is not for the faint hearted.

As my mum used to say,"If things don't change, they'll stay the same", I think that in this case, she was wrong. They have to change, not for the want of anything but for Jersey to keep up with the rest of the world. Now that beggars belief doesn't it!!!
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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #20 on: May 29, 2010, 09:31:03 PM »
Should Terry Boy be stripped of his minister title after this latest fiddle in trying to help out a friend knowing him to be breaking the housings laws? It should be interesting to see who may put it to the house that they have lost all confidence in him as not only a minister but as a member of the States. Let us see just how strong the members are in all of this. Chop off his head!

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« Reply #21 on: May 29, 2010, 09:32:57 PM »
Forgot to mention about Walker and his friend with the dumping issue. No strength there was there.

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« Reply #22 on: May 29, 2010, 10:26:22 PM »
That's probably what Tel Boy spends most of his £44k a year on his Blackberry hidden in his drawer in States meetings doing dodgy deals with his mates!!

His head should seriously roll - leopards and spots spring to mind!!

What he did was seriously amounting to attempting to pervert the course of justice -  TEL PILLOCK >:(

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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #23 on: May 29, 2010, 11:35:17 PM »
Housing Minister Terry Le Main is on record several times with a view to helping first time buyers. I decided to have another look at Mondays Jep item.

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HOUSING Minister Terry Le Main is to press on with plans to reduce the wait for housing qualifications by another two years, despite objections from some of his political colleagues.

Last month Senator Le Main told the JEP that he intended to ask the States to bring down the wait for housing qualifications from 12 to ten years. He believes that the time is right to consider reducing the wait for ‘qualies’ because the housing market has slowed dramatically over the last few months.

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Have you spotted the statement, the housing market has slowed  dramatically !

So no more spin, property confirmed as not selling,although the developers are building like there is no tomorrow. It follows as sure as eggs are eggs that prices are dropping. This has to be of benefit to those trying to secure their own home or move up leaving cheaper property behind.

Terry Le Main is either missing the point completely or has a hidden agenda, because the last thing any minister who is really trying to help his electorate would do is to interfere, and give the developers a boost which is  what would happen if housing qualies were dropped to ten years. Something is begining to smell pretty bad here. Just as well the fall back position is the whole assembly voting against a man who seems to have lost his way.  Very strange !

http://www.thisisjersey.com/2009/01/06/ten-year-qualifications-on-way-insists-le-main/


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Copied from an earlier post on PJ. I thought there was something different to the norm then.
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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #24 on: May 30, 2010, 08:43:29 AM »
quallies, should not be dropped , but raised ,untill we clear the back log of unemployment.
 as for house prices i hope they drop like a stone.
maybe we should all do something doggy, then write to the a.g. to turn a blind eye.

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« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2010, 10:18:48 AM »
Breaking news from Citizen Media ( at the heart of island life )

Once again Citizens Media bringing you breaking news.

From: Terry Le Sueur
Sent: 30 May 2010 10:33
To: All States Members (including ex officio members)
Cc: Ian Gallichan; Bill Ogley
Subject: Housing

Dear Colleagues, I am sure that you will all be as disturbed as I was to read in the local press about the comments which have reportedly been made in a recent Royal Court case, comments which reflect badly on the current Housing Minister. I need to ascertain the full facts of this matter, and pending this I have spoken to Senator Le Main. He has agreed to stand aside as Housing Minister, delegating his daily responsibilities to his Assistant Minister whilst an enquiry takes place. I am making arrangenents for this to be done as soon as possible, and will keep Members informed of any major developments. In the meantime any matters relating to Housing should be addressed to the Assistant Housing Minister, Deputy Sean Power, or myself. Yours sincerely, Terry Le Sueur
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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2010, 01:42:51 PM »
The Chief Minister as the most senior and powerful elected person that sits in the Jersey Government, comes under plenty of scrutiny both in Government and by the interested electorate through media official and unofficial.

Transparent and open accountable government, to me is very important in a healthy democracy. I make no apology for criticising (as is my right as a resident ) CM  Le Suer and others over the issue of failing to support the freedom of information act, and trying to strengthen the data protection laws against internet users P147, which are out of step with civilised democratic jurisdictions.

However the e-mail published if correct, and circulated by the CM  Le Suer, again focuses the spotlight in his direction again. In my humble opinion is absolutely the right action in suspending the housing Minister who's friend broke housing laws and was allegedly supported by Terry Le Main in writing to the Attorney General to get the case stopped.

Further it is ok to voice displeasure in an open democracy, it is just as important to give praise when due. I also support the chief ministers stance on not paying the teachers a penny more than the 2% as accepted by other states workers, and it is clear that the issue the teachers have is about more remuneration or less work, which equates to the same thing.

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« Reply #27 on: May 30, 2010, 03:53:34 PM »
Stuart might just be right on old tel boy

Christ not again

oh well keep on pushing forward

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Re: Terry Le Main
« Reply #28 on: May 30, 2010, 04:56:40 PM »
Breaking news from Citizen Media ( at the heart of island life )
Once again Citizens Media bringing you breaking news.
From: Terry Le Sueur
Sent: 30 May 2010 10:33
To: All States Members (including ex officio members)
Cc: Ian Gallichan; Bill Ogley
Subject: Housing
Dear Colleagues, I am sure that you will all be as disturbed as I was to read in the local press about the comments which have reportedly been made in a recent Royal Court case, comments which reflect badly on the current Housing Minister. I need to ascertain the full facts of this matter, and pending this I have spoken to Senator Le Main. He has agreed to stand aside as Housing Minister, delegating his daily responsibilities to his Assistant Minister whilst an enquiry takes place. I am making arrangenents for this to be done as soon as possible, and will keep Members informed of any major developments. In the meantime any matters relating to Housing should be addressed to the Assistant Housing Minister, Deputy Sean Power, or myself. Yours sincerely, Terry Le Sueur
Chief Minister
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Does this mean he is on full pay suspencion until the next elections ? It's so simple to find out the facts. -  read the emails he has sent to Attorney General - read transcipts of court case - the developer has admitted breaking the law - How long should this take Terry ? This could become known as the Two Terrible Terries debacle :)

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« Reply #29 on: May 30, 2010, 05:15:13 PM »
Im sure it will all be coming out over the coming weeks moot probably not in the local media thou

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