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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #15 on: June 18, 2008, 01:26:15 PM »
At the same time as the referendum on CET, an extra question. 

"Do you think FW is an idiot and a liar?"

They wont have any trouble at all getting people to vote on that one.

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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #16 on: June 19, 2008, 04:19:20 PM »
At the same time as the referendum on CET, an extra question. 

We get a referendum on CET but not on GST, The Bailiff or who we want for Chief Minister.

No-one is going to see through that one. NOT!!!

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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #17 on: June 25, 2008, 02:23:48 PM »
My message to F W is that I AM NOT AN IDIOT, the chief minister is a successful business man and if this was his money that he was playing with and not tax payers money - then every avenue would have been thoroughly explored prior to any contract being entered into.

We are in a media age like no other, and old tricks just wont stand up to scrutiny, come off it FW do you really think that a call to Mr power on the eve of the debate and a verbal assurance would stand up to scrutiny?

That of course is not the only issue, equal importance needs to be levied at the non disclosure of the Price Waterhouse  report - why was that brushed under the carpet?

Do the members of the States not read the papers, even the tabloids report the credit crunch - of course Harcourt are  going to tell him everything is perfect.........they can obviously run rings around these greedy, growth driven politicians that scraped into power.

Roll on 1st July no doubt he will squirm his way out of it.......... but and it's a big BUT the Council of Ministers are destroying the political stability of this island and depending on what sources you read the whole finance industry relies on the alleged political stability of this islands assembly.

Like them or loathe them Stuart Syvret and Geoff Southern have at least had the temerity to attempt to make FW accountable to the electorate and that is not good enough, what are the rest of them up to?

I predict an even smaller turnout at the polls in October and then democracy will really be called into question, it is no wonder that only 30% turnout to vote.

FW will remember 2008 as his Annulius Terriblus, maybe there is some justice in this world! :-*

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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #18 on: June 25, 2008, 03:38:38 PM »
Apparently, Frank and Terry are starting to lose votes where they were sure they didn't have to fight for them ... the traditional Jersey people. The devout Establishment voters kept casting their votes for the GST party because they truly believed Frank and Terry and their disciples knew what they were doing : they didn't necessarily like them, but they were prudent businessmen with a good head on their shoulders. Now that trust is crumbling every single day and if I were Terry (as Frank is out of the picture soon (though not soon enough!) anyway) I wouldn't get too cocky about getting Frankie's job. Even the people on their side are getting a very nasty taste in their mouth and they are getting more than uncomfortable.

I truly believe Jersey HAS a future still if ALL parties learn to talk to each other and learn to meet each other half way.

Even though people have made up their minds that I am against the finance industry, I honestly believe trying to get rid of the finance industry would be absolute suicide. You do not bite the hand that feeds you ; but you can tell "the hand" you do not necessarily like everything it tries to force into my mouth. It sounds naive - I know I am an awful lot more realistic than I sometimes (like to) give out to be - but I do believe "the finance industry" (and of course, we're talking about the big guys at the top - those that do the real work in finance often struggle as much as others here in Jersey, or did you REALLY think that a customer service agent in a bank gets more than 40,000 pounds per year ?) plays tough but they know they have an awful lot to lose themselves if they don't play their cards right.

You can compare it to haggling in places like India or Thailand ! I am an awful haggler ! I feel too guilty about trying to get money off these poor people who are fighting to make a good life. Silly, of course, because the Thai or Indians themselves admit that haggling is part of the game for them; they expect you to haggle. If you pay the full asking price, they have NO respect for you. But of course, there is no way they can allow you to get away with "whatever product" paying way below the cost price. OF COURSE, they want to make some profit. So the whole game is about finding the road in the middle where both parties can be happy. Finance is, undoubtedly, much too serious to call it a game, but I am sure we could meet halfway on a lot of things.

The same goes for 1(1)k residents ; you've got to be pretty naive to think that these people would come to Jersey in hordes and say : "Oh please, can I be unqualified for a couple of years ?" But it is also rather narrow-minded to think these people come to Jersey ONLY because of the benefits and the gift of quallies ; do you really think that little of our island itself ?

I am also constantly being told I am against businesses and the middle class. Mmmmm, strange, if I HAD to label myself, I am definitely a LOT more middle class than working class. And against business ? Hell, one of my soap boxes is the maltreatment of the local businesses here in Jersey. The Establishment allows the local businesses to be suffocated by UK chains; red tape and GST is like a millstone around the neck of small businessmen and women ; the collapse of tourism has also caused instability for small retailers (because tourists prefer quirky little shops ; the regulations laid upon businesses often stop them from really flourishing. It's not enough for Ozouf to SAY he wants a diverse economy and he wants other economies to grow or take off. He has done diddly squat for other industries ; the few ideas he's come up with are so far off what small businesses really want or need ... If only THAT, it is a good enough reason for me to say : Thanks Philip, but no thanks.

I agree with what other posters have said before : it's just no longer enough to say "it is even worse in other countries, in other countries you pay even more GST (or VAT or whatever you want to call it), ..." The people in Jersey are starting to wake up to the fact that we're listening to excuses all the time   : "Oops, maybe we should have kept the Fort regent swimming pool after all ! Oops, I didn't check because I believed Harcourt when they said there was nothing to worry about ! Oops, maybe we didn't really need GST after all, because look what I found ... ! Oops, maybe we need to revise Income Support a little after all ! Oops, I cannot tell you how much we paid all these expert consultants because it would take too much time to get all the accounts together (You get away with that as an answer as a small businessmen, don't you?)" I have lost ALL faith in all these OOPS people. Their own Code of Conduct demands transparence and accountability, but do you see any ? The only want that never says "Oops !" is Guy de Faye, because he is either too much of a nitwit or too big-headed (I haven't quite figured that one out yet!) to realise the stupidity of the ideas he comes up with.

The lot can have MY vote of no confidence now ; that is the only vote they will ever get from me.

Anyway, sorry for the long post, but as I kept being accused of never posting on here, I thought I'd make up for missed opportunities ! :-)

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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #19 on: July 03, 2008, 05:53:26 PM »
I still have to work out which of the two he is, an idiot or a liar. Personally I don't believe he is that stupid.

Well the vote of no confidence has overwhelmingly approved the remarks that Frank Walker is not a liar (apparently, though I am not so easily fooled).

So that would by my definition make him a.......n idiot! seems I have been proven wrong.   ???

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Re: Frank says "I am not an idiot or a liar".
« Reply #20 on: July 08, 2008, 03:00:17 PM »
A long detailed incinerator debate, Deputy Jackie Huet, WEB director, was angry that she was not at Buckingham palace to get an award, and instead had to stay in little Jersey her home, to discuss this extended ongoing saga. Even though Jackie voted yes to 3%  GST, which now seems to have grown to 7% on food, although other goods have not been scrutanised but may have gone up just as much ? However it's a tough life having to stay in Jersey and vote on spending £106 million of the working people's money. Further she stated Jerseys population had to grow in order that our economy must grow. She side tracked the issue later when pressed.

A truly electrifying one liner came from, I may be wrong but it sounded like the mundane talking but  exceptionally well read Bob Duhamel.

It reminded me of the fight, the tension, sides have been taken and then out of the blue in the middle of the chief ministers speech after supposed facts had been spewed for the members to think on,  and the rest of us to shake our heads in disbelief of the cleverness of Jerseys number one politician. What did Deputy Bob say, are you ready for this !!

Bob interrupted and announced  in his always  gentle unassuming voice,  " The Chief Minister is misleading the house ". If he can prove that the Chief Minister did mislead the house ( possible wrong information again,not my fault ? ) Then this would undermine not only the chief Minister also those whose proposition he has supported. His one liner " I am not an idiot or a liar ",  may come back to haunt him in a way he never expected, if the honest Jersey Jack Russell called Bob goes on the attack and is proven right ?
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