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Offline Pomme de terre

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Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« on: June 25, 2008, 07:34:22 PM »
Usually, I find myself diametrically opposed to anything that Shona Pitman says. Credit where credit is due though, she's put together a well thought out proposition:

http://www.statesassembly.gov.je/documents/propositions/1158-14970-2562008.htm

So, what do you reckon the chances of the vote being carried are?

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #1 on: June 25, 2008, 11:50:27 PM »


Snowball in hell's chance but she know's that I'm sure. I think this is one of the many propositions that have been recently lodged (vote of no confidendce in Frank Walker, Council of Ministers, WEB masterplan recindment) in order to further focus the minds of the general public, in this election year, upon those members of the states who consistently support the current political establishment.

I think its a strong strategy with every chance of longer term success. I mean would you vote for the re-election of a candidate that supported GST, the continuation of the Bailiff's duel role and the current Council of Ministers?


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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #2 on: June 26, 2008, 08:33:34 AM »
Quite right, she is.

Real men know when to stand down, without being told to.

Our current government including the Bailiff are a walking disaster zone, it's just one thing after another.  They've done enough damage already.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #3 on: July 04, 2008, 03:15:26 AM »
This proposition along with her attempt to exempt food from GST is just blatant electioneering. She has been a Deputy for three years now and achieved nothing. If i lived in St. Helier no. 2 i certainly wouldn't be voting for her.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #4 on: July 04, 2008, 04:01:31 AM »
...exempt food from GST is just blatant electioneering.

So... GST should be charged and should continue to be charged on food??? This is a good thing???

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #5 on: July 04, 2008, 05:21:26 AM »
If they did remove GST off food, the question is, will it only go down by 3%?  I think the damage has already been done and some price hikes of nearer 20% are hardly going to tumble down now.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #6 on: July 04, 2008, 06:23:26 AM »
Just reading the JEP.  Shona Pitman will be lucky to hold onto her seat this year, cause from what I am reading they are more or less accusing her of being out of touch, rude and fu**ing useless.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2008, 09:27:12 AM »
I think members of the current JDA in Government have dropped some big clangers recently.  They are attacking the top and they are not getting any friends for doing so.  The Public are not all that impressed by the defeat on the censor of the CM and I bet the Bailiff vote will go a similar way.

Another letter in today's local rag really says it all:


"IT must be election year, for the political nonentities are emerging from their three-year hibernation – during which time they have drawn some £120,000 in pay and expenses – with the realisation that something must be done to make the electorate aware that they are alive and kicking.

One classic example is Deputy Shona Pitman, who has the temerity to criticise our Bailiff and propose that he be removed from office. This is the same person who, when elected, was asked what they intended to do in the States and responded by saying that they intended ‘to kick some ass’. How profound, how erudite are the utterances of (some) of our elected politicians.

Although one must admit that the person in question was a little ‘unwell’ at the time, one might suggest that if ‘ass-kicking’ is to be engaged in then the well-aimed boot should be aimed in only one direction – and that is not towards Sir Philip.

Now that the vote-catching season has started it will be interesting to see who, of the previously silent fraternity, jump on the bandwagon to try to ensure that their next £120,000 is on its way to the bank.

There are four or five members of the House who fall into this category of ‘do nothing, done nothing and know nothing’ who will spring to prominence in the coming weeks".




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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #8 on: July 04, 2008, 09:35:08 AM »
I'd be interested to know who writes these promotional letters on behalf of the Bailhache brothers!  How much are they paying?

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #9 on: July 04, 2008, 09:57:34 AM »
I heard that there was a lot of finger pointing with regard to a letter that was in the paper a month ago attacking Harper.  Time 4 Change were claiming that the letter was written either by the Establishment or the paper itself.

I can tell you now that it was total and utter rubbish because I knew the person who did write the letter and they are not a party to either.

The trouble with the JDA is that a hell of a lot more people support the Bailiff than their Party.

I think if we start questioning the sources of letters than we are only scratching around for an excuse to silence genuine opinion.

Another example was a recent Poll on CTV where people were asked "Are the Police doing a good job with Haute de la Garenne".

The Poll indicted NO.  It was something like 66% no and 33% yes.  A comment I then read later on, and I think it was on Stuart's blog, "CTV are fixing this in favor of the Establishment".  Again, a total stupid assumption.

I think these radical left wing conspiracy theorists will need to start understanding what the 'real' majority feel, and not the small numbers within their niche who are just their to cherry pick the truth at there own convenience.

The numbers who also attend these meetings and rallys really says it all.  The Penny has to drop soon!

So sorry Danrok, from the rumours of the last letter, I just don't believe these letters are plants anymore!

Members of my family support the Bailiff.  So when it comes to the real voters turning up I think the JDA may be damaged by this.
« Last Edit: July 04, 2008, 10:11:17 AM by JTM »

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #10 on: July 04, 2008, 11:42:02 AM »
On the JEP - they print very few letters, so regardless of who wrote any given letter, they are able to bin which ever ones they choose.  Unlike here, where no one gets to filter out our postings.

The JEP is nothing more than a business which sells over-priced advertising space, by getting sales people to make unsolicited phone calls to local businesses. They're just a nuisance!

On CTV polls - online polls mean nothing, it is easy to vote multiple times, especially on CTV's website.  I could vote 100,000 times if I wanted to.  So, you can't draw any conclusions from their polls.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #11 on: July 04, 2008, 11:48:30 AM »
I never vote on Polls on CTV but what makes you think its fixed and why would somebody want to mulitply vote?

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2008, 05:16:06 PM »
I never vote on Polls on CTV but what makes you think its fixed and why would somebody want to mulitply vote?

I never said it was fixed, just that it is possible to vote many times in most of these online polls.  Perhaps nobody did, but unless you know, then the result is unreliable.

Why do people stay up all night hacking websites, just to post some haxx0r nonsense on the home page?

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2008, 10:56:45 PM »
I wont be voting for Pitman, I agree with the letter, people like her, Le Claire, Duhamel, Herrisier, Southern, Martin, actually they are ALL useless.

Don’t vote for any of them.  Vote for just new people now, but make sure they are not glued to a party.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #14 on: July 05, 2008, 03:18:14 AM »
I wont be voting for Pitman, I agree with the letter, people like her, Le Claire, Duhamel, Herrisier, Southern, Martin, actually they are ALL useless.

Don’t vote for any of them.  Vote for just new people now, but make sure they are not glued to a party.

Who are these new people?  ???