Author Topic: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff  (Read 7542 times)

Jason the Maverick

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #45 on: July 18, 2008, 10:08:28 PM »
I thought the person was pointing out that nobody seemed to know what the minimum wage was?  You are right £5.80 an hour is a pittance to live off, but I have to agree with their view of Deputy Pit bull’s speeches.

They are really boring to listen to and that goes for Paul Le Claire's dribble.  For some ministers having to sit down and listen to them must be like pulling teeth.  I could only take so much when listening to the recordings.  I bet some States Members which they had that faculty of clicking a fast forward button.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #46 on: July 19, 2008, 01:59:02 AM »
Who do you think speaks well in the States, and who do you think has the average persons interests at heart?

Jason the Maverick

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« Reply #47 on: July 19, 2008, 02:40:27 AM »
If I start saying who I think speaks well then I am endorsing their politics so I won't.  You have asked who has the average person's interest at heart?  Well none of them to be frank.  The JDA look after one area of the community and the establishment the other.

But over all the establshment is aware of all persons unlike the JDA who show contempt against the Finance Worker.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #48 on: July 19, 2008, 02:56:39 AM »
They are allowed to wander around the building, move to rooms with more comfortable chairs, chat amoungst themselves outside the Chamber whilst the speeches are being relayed to them by loudspeakers. They only have to return to the Chamber to cast their vote. How much attention they are paying to the speeches relayed like this is another question.

With regard to the quality of the speeches, and this is a very important, tho' not the only aspect of the criteria for choosing a representative - they should be able to stand up in the Chamber and represent the views, interests and values of those who elected them- it is generally appalling. I listen regularly to proceedings in Parliament (I can't help it if I'm a political junky) and even I have to admit that proceedings at Westminster are usually stultifying, boring and devoid of excitement or amusement. Compared to debates in our own Chamber, however, thay sound sparkling and witty, like a soiree hosted by Oscar Wilde. Speeches in the States too often consist of people up on the hind legs, apparently intoxicated with the sound of their own voice, repeating at length points previously made by another speaker because that is what everybody else has done. As an example, during the debate on the proposal of censure bought by Geoff Southern against Frank Walker, many members felt obliged to get to their feet and say what a wonderful bloke Frank Walker is - however, many of them seemed confused about the proposal on which they were speaking and many speeches were interrupted by the Speaker correcting them when they spoke of 'this motion of no confidence' instead of referring to a motion of censure. They were prepared to speak, at length, and demonstrate their agreement with everybody else and they didn't even remember what the motion was!!! (I'm sure all this is in Hansard).
Nowadays, and for some time, the trend in society is towards effectively conveying information to people with limited time and limited attention spans - reducing ideas to bullet-points, Powerpoint presentations, three-word Hollywood pitches - and, yet, our members are still getting onto their feet and drivelling away to each other in the same manner that they have since time immemorial. Not only is this inappropriate as a decision-making mechanism in a democracy in the twenty-first century, it is doubly inappropriate that they are making decisions concerning the huge amounts of money that flow thro' our economy in a a manner that would shame a parish council meeting or a poor sixth form debate.
My solution - I would certainly suggest time-limiting speeches using a system of lights... Bearing in mind, however, Guy de Faye's concern about bringing fun back into politics perhaps the same could be done with a series of electric shocks administered thro' the platform and getting stronger the longer the speaker refused to stop speaking. Then we would find out how committed they were to speaking at length and the points they wished to make!
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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #49 on: July 19, 2008, 03:10:41 AM »
If I start saying who I think speaks well then I am endorsing their politics so I won't.

This might be your opinion but it is, frankly, nonsense. I may concede that, for example, Winston Churchill and Margaret Thatcher were very effective communicators and Parliamentary speakers whilst I disagree whole-heartedly with their views and policies.
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Jason the Maverick

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #50 on: July 19, 2008, 03:12:42 AM »
So you are saying that lousy speakers are as good as great speakers?  This is all down to preparation and Shona Pit Bull's speach did not sound that well prepared to me and it was jittery.
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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #51 on: July 19, 2008, 03:49:59 AM »
There seems to be some comprehension deficit going on here... My point, that accepting that someone may be a good speaker and communicator does not necessarily equate to agreeing with their policies, somehow becomes ' you are saying that lousy speakers are as good as great speakers'... I thought that my point was put simply and obviously enough but it seems not... Perhaps I should not be using such long sentences, such difficult words, making foolish assumptions about the ability of people on here to follow simple concepts and understand the English language... Mea culpa, I'll try harder in future to keep it more simple...
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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #52 on: July 19, 2008, 04:07:46 PM »
Can you stick to topic please, some of these posts have nothing to do with the title of this thread.

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Re: Shona Pitman: Vote of No Confidence in the Bailiff
« Reply #53 on: September 26, 2008, 01:30:39 PM »
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