Senatorial candidate Ian Le Marquand

[Eastern correspondent]

The topic is How do we rate Stuart Syvret? Off topic in my response maybe - point taken.!
I was giving examples of why I rate him by berating others, however to be more precise - I rate him enough to vote for him, I find him to be intellectually streets ahead of many, but not all, of his political opponents.

I admire his tenacity in the face of oppposition, I find his contributions to debates to be meaningfull, unlike many of his fellow politicians. I feel that he is a lone voice in the assembly and wonder how he has the strength to carry on.
 
The piece in tonights JEP re ex magistrate Le Marquands intention to stand has made my blood boil, another one to join the old boy network!

Where he is coming from re more political power over SOJ police force is  unbelievable, no doubt about it he will get in - but hey thats me off topic again!

I do not agree with the manner in which SS belittles other politicians particularly attractive but agree with the blogger who comments that politicians must be thick skinned to do the job in the first place.

In relation to the funding of the JDA by Joseph Rowntree Foundation I have no problem with that - it is not money into their individual pockets it is to assist with JDA campaign expenses - they had to put up a case to obtain funds - could you see any organisation in Jersey funding them apart trom TGU - I can't - so power to the JDA.

I wont vote for either of them and I may not vote at all as I wish to destabilise this quasi democracy.....and yes I do realise that people lost their lives to give me a vote!

The 51% figure for home ownership was quoted by Freddie Cohen ( I think ) in the recent debate on shared equity

[Jason the Maverick]

The piece in tonights JEP re ex magistrate Le Marquands intention to stand has made my blood boil, another one to join the old boy network!

Well he must think he is popular, because I doubt anybody that has been before him in court will give him a vote.

Mind you, his law experience will come in handy and at least he knows what the youth crime is like.

What do you think Stuart?  A fellow Senator who was a magistate?

[King Rollo]

The piece in tonights JEP re ex magistrate Le Marquands intention to stand has made my blood boil, another one to join the old boy network!

Where he is coming from re more political power over SOJ police force is  unbelievable, no doubt about it he will get in - but hey thats me off topic again!

Someone might like to point out to Mr. Le Marquand that political control over the Police is a big no, no, no in Western Democratic countries.  So its independence followed by the state taking over the police is it?  Good luck lads.....

A police state typically exhibits elements of totalitarianism and social control, and there is usually little or no distinction between the law and the exercise of political power by the executive.

[Conductor]

Somebody needs to control the Police.

[Eastern correspondent]

Wendy Kinnard as Home Affairs Minister has 'control' over the police - as we are in effect a borough of Westminster we should be seen to adopt UK best practice in terms of control.

'The basic doctrine is that no one can give a Chief Constable any orders about how to carry out their job. They can be sacked for incompetence, but NOT directed. even teh courts have upheld in case law that they cannot intervene to ORDER a police force to do anything particular in their carrying out of their functions' (Budge:512 - The new British Politics)

Mr le Marquand is obviously thinking in 'The Jersey Way'!

[Conductor]

She never controlled the Police.  Remember when they got rid of the Motorcycle unit and she didn't know anything about it?

[Eastern correspondent]

In retrospect control is the wrong word  she has responsibility and is the link between the assembly and the SoJ police force - they should be allowed to police without inteference.

Going off topic again ( Senatorial Candidates) what is happening with prosecutions in relation to the HDLG scandal?

The police have prepared their case against alleged abusers and these case files are being looked at by an 'independant' Jerset equivalent to the Crown Prosecution Services - appointed by one of the brothers Bailhace ( quasi establishment party)

Personally I do not like how this is turning out - I suspect many 'suspects' will walk. The abused must be feeling really let down with the turn if events - on the BBc news tonight compensation look in jepody because of the statute of limitations.No surprise there, I wonder if any courageous legal beagles will come out of the woodwork for the victims - Lakeman and Sinel perhaps?

[Pomme de terre]

I'd vote for him, and I hope he gets Home Affairs.

We constantly decry non-expert politicians being out of control of spendaholic senior civil servants. I think it would be eminently sensible for someone with deep inside knowledge of the courts, the prison and the whole criminal justice system to be put in charge of Home Affairs. He couldn't do much worse than the current incumbent, a former humanities teacher.

As regards "control" of the police, I think the phraseology is disappointing. Nevertheless, is it not true that we still lack independent oversight of the States of Jersey Police, along the lines of the Metropolitan Police Authority http://www.mpa.gov.uk/default.htm ?  What this means is that you - as a lay person - could get elected to the police authority, to scrutinise the police.  Who polices the police? These people do.

Yes, I know the Met polices 8 million people and SOJP polices 90,000, but that is beside the point. It is about who polices the police. We allow the police to police us by consent, and part of the deal is to ensure adequate scrutiny. If Mr Le Marquand wants to deliver that, good for him.

[Eastern correspondent]

The States of Jersey Police, the Fire and Rescue Service, the Prison Service, and Customs and Immigration all come under the responsibility of the Home Affairs Department. The department also has responsibility for criminal justice policy, and the registration of births, deaths and marriages.

( re terminology - the above is from the Jersey Gov Site )

Vote for Mr Le Marquand by all means that is your democratic right, he obviously has an agenda, my initial reaction is the the appointment will be  an addition to the Establishment and another member of the old boys club.

I will await his manifesto before I comment again....................

I have no doubt that we are discussing the next Home Affairs Minister - because that is The Jersey Way ....jobs for the boys!

I wonder who will nominate him ?

[mysterious stranger]

I'm tempted to give up... we have post after post fastening names and accusations on someone, on the strength of one JEP report of one comment... and suddenly Ian le Marquand is consigned to the 'establishment', 'old boys club' one of does things in 'the Jersey Way'. Well. that didn't take long, did it? Who's next?
From my point of view, here we have a man standing for office who thinks you need evidence before you reach a conclusion, rather than having a fixed view through which lens all others are judged as 'establishment'.
And BTW,  just what does 'anti-establishment' mean???!!! Anyone who can spell the words "walker' "is' and 'a prat'? I'm tempted to think that that seems to be the only requirement-along with the capacity to spell 'Syvret' 'Southern' and 'Pitman' and 'are brilliant'. Yes, I'm angry and I think I have a bl**dy point.
It seems that when the JEP say something about the JDA or Stuart S then they are to be dismissed as 'an establishment rag'. However one alleged quote from one man and you want to hang him on it.
Brilliant. Encore, anyone?

[plus_ca_change]

I'm tempted to give up... we have post after post fastening names and accusations on someone, on the strength of one JEP report of one comment... and suddenly Ian le Marquand is consigned to the 'establishment', 'old boys club' one of does things in 'the Jersey Way'. Well. that didn't take long, did it? Who's next?
From my point of view, here we have a man standing for office who thinks you need evidence before you reach a conclusion, rather than having a fixed view through which lens all others are judged as 'establishment'.
And BTW,  just what does 'anti-establishment' mean???!!! Anyone who can spell the words "walker' "is' and 'a prat'? I'm tempted to think that that seems to be the only requirement-along with the capacity to spell 'Syvret' 'Southern' and 'Pitman' and 'are brilliant'. Yes, I'm angry and I think I have a bl**dy point.
It seems that when the JEP say something about the JDA or Stuart S then they are to be dismissed as 'an establishment rag'. However one alleged quote from one man and you want to hang him on it.
Brilliant. Encore, anyone?

Theres quite a lot I would be inclined to agree with there.  However as  a magistrate he has been in the public eye, and his pronouncements and actions will have been viewed by those with an interest in politics.  In his case I would say there is public evidence about his views and opinions.  I haven't taken an interest so I 've no idea if they justify the accusation , if that is what it is, of being establishment and part of the old boys network. 

[King Rollo]

I'm tempted to give up... we have post after post fastening names and accusations on someone, on the strength of one JEP report of one comment... and suddenly Ian le Marquand is consigned to the 'establishment', 'old boys club' one of does things in 'the Jersey Way'. Well. that didn't take long, did it? Who's next?
From my point of view, here we have a man standing for office who thinks you need evidence before you reach a conclusion, rather than having a fixed view through which lens all others are judged as 'establishment'.
And BTW,  just what does 'anti-establishment' mean???!!! Anyone who can spell the words "walker' "is' and 'a prat'? I'm tempted to think that that seems to be the only requirement-along with the capacity to spell 'Syvret' 'Southern' and 'Pitman' and 'are brilliant'. Yes, I'm angry and I think I have a bl**dy point.
It seems that when the JEP say something about the JDA or Stuart S then they are to be dismissed as 'an establishment rag'. However one alleged quote from one man and you want to hang him on it.
Brilliant. Encore, anyone?

I wouldn't get too worried MS, this site has 213 members and Jersey has 90 odd thousand people, a few remarks here will make not a jot of difference to voting.

The stats speak volumes, of the 8713 posts 1372 are on the child abuse thread which has the most viewing hits too.  A great deal of those will be from the UK.

The majority of voters will read the JEP - who owns that btw?

[Deputy Dawg]

I think Ian would make a good politician, he is fair in his views and so far I have not seen him "side" to anyone.

If the fact that he is not a member of the JDA or T4C means that he is then tainted as "Establishment" then that is a pretty pathetic view by a small minority and by this very same view will mean that I am going to be voting for all "establishment" hopefuls this year.

The guy has put himself forward, he is respected in his field and I think he will do what he can for the people of Jersey as he did in his previous job and I have to agree with Jersey spud-u-like that he would make a good home affairs minister. Look what we have at the moment...

[Terminator 4]

I agree, at least we would have somebody coming in with a more balanced approach.  Not affilated with any party, experienced with young people and aware of their problems and won't jump to conclusions.

[mysterious stranger]

Hmmm...a measure of sanity restored in this debate...
Rollo -I agree with what you say about the statistical minority in relation to this site-but some comments can be like barometers-the storm isn't in the little dial...it just picks up waves telling you a little of what to expect. I think that it's responsible to state the case against a view you consider flawed no matter how few people hold it. Just because a small number of people say something on this site doen't mean a larger number of people don't hold the view. Suart Syvret's blog has far fewer bloggers than the number of people who voted for him last time.

I've now decide I'm happpy to be called 'Establishment'-because of the alternative, which is I'm told, anti -establishment. (Non establishment is aterm yet to be coined...) Funny, I thought that 'anti-establishment had 17 letters in it, but I'm wrong it seems.

Apparently its spelt J-D-A... and woe betide anyone who dares to differ.